25-02-2003 07:50									#1
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,79465,00.html

Saddam refuses to destroy missles which the U.N. found which are in violation of the U.N. mandates........does he WANT to loose the backing of fantatics like the French(or at least make it harder for them to support him)?

	25-02-2003 07:51									#2
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This also has me puzzle Vesayen.

I mean he pretty much had the edge in the political game but this is bizzare. I wonder what's going on.

	25-02-2003 07:54									#3
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You would THINK he would just want to play along with his French slaves.....does he think being bold now will get him ANYWHERE?

	25-02-2003 07:59									#4
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The psychological reports I've read say that he overestimates himself, and literally has no idea of his chances. This is exponentially compounded by the fact that all of his advisors are yes men, who can't give him a realistic estimate of his chances for fear of being killed.

At first glance this might be the case but on second glance I wonder what's going on. It couldn't be that simple. Or could it?

Perhaps he is becoming overconfident?

	25-02-2003 08:03									#5
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I remember reading that one of the nazis worst mistakes was when Goering (or was it Gobbels, sorry for mispelling) told Hitler that 'sure we have lots and lots of planes, we will hold, we are great lots of planes mr fuhrer', and in reality he was not telling the truth, and Hitler trusted him and it really screwed up some plans...

.. this could be the case too, except that his advisors are to scared to tell the truth about what they really think, just like Ted Striker said.

It also comes to my mind, that maybe he is as ready as he can get right now. He's been playing time for long time now, and maybe he has like silos full of wmds, ready to gass people etc and now he wants the war to start.. I hope this is not the case.

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I hope that is not the case either.


I didn't know the part about Goering. Usually Hitler is the one that gets blamed for all the overconfident mistakes.

I just learned something new.

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Yep, I saw a documentary about it.. he lied to Hitler the capabilities and he told that they would be able to produce lots and lots more planes that it was even possible.. and Hitler counted some of his plans on this, and obviously was no good. But I'm not sure if it was Goering or Goebbels.

And as to Saddams strategy, I think he's not bluffing, what's to bluff?!?! Maybe he wants thsi to begin soon.. I can think of one good reason. First of all, his troops are getting more tired, since they are in constant readyness, and it's stressing the men too much. Waiting must be bad and exhausting. His chances, how low they may be, are better if it starts sooner, than later. If he is not able to get alliances or anything from other countries, its better to start now.. that's my opinion. I wouldn't let the guys wait too much.

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I half recall that Georing at least twice promised Hitler something that he could not produce: air suppremacy in the Battle of Britain and the resupply the surrounded army in Stalingrad.

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yeah, Speer was the "yes" man advising Hitler that Germany had air-supremacy. Hitler also made some mistakes by delaying production of jet fighters.

On-Topic though... I think Saddam is just testing to see how much he can get away with. If push comes to shove, he'll destory the missiles. So far, in his eyes, he's winning the political battle. But I agree that it's somewhat of an over-confident move. I would have expected him to agree to the destruction of the missiles and then simply hid them and said, "What missiles, I already destroyed them!".

	25-02-2003 09:23									#10
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I believe one of two possibilities:

1.) Saddam has decided that war is inevitable and will not part with any weapon that he has.

2.) Saddam has overestimated the political clout he has obtained from receiving political backing from France, Germany, and Russia. Thus causing him to believe that he may keep these weapons as a negotiating tool to further delay the disarmament process.

	25-02-2003 09:28									#11
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gah, finally. hopefully he'll do more dumb things, and make the US's job of proving a case against him more easy... not that proving a case against this lying, cheating, mass murdering dictator should ever have been hard...

	25-02-2003 09:35									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Kramerman gah, finally. hopefully he'll do more dumb things, and make the US's job of proving a case against him more easy... not that proving a case against this lying, cheating, mass murdering dictator should ever have been hard...

It wouldn't have been if other countries didn't have their own agenda and used the media to drag in peace loving people to object.

	25-02-2003 09:55									#13
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*cough* France *cough* *cough* Germany

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quote: I remember reading that one of the nazis worst mistakes was when Goering (or was it Gobbels, sorry for mispelling) told Hitler that 'sure we have lots and lots of planes, we will hold, we are great lots of planes mr fuhrer', and in reality he was not telling the truth, and Hitler trusted him and it really screwed up some plans... .. this could be the case too, except that his advisors are to scared to tell the truth about what they really think, just like Ted Striker said. It also comes to my mind, that maybe he is as ready as he can get right now. He's been playing time for long time now, and maybe he has like silos full of wmds, ready to gass people etc and now he wants the war to start.. I hope this is not the case

	25-02-2003 11:07									#15
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He doesn't have to decide until March 7. Hold your horses, warmongers.

	25-02-2003 11:08									#16
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REally? Thats too bad. I predicted that the war would start on March 3rd.

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I was under the distinct impression, UR, that Mr. Hans Blix wanted the missiles, components and related gear destroyed by this upcoming Friday. I believe March 7 is when Blix and ElBaradei present yet another report to the U.N. Security Council, but this Friday was when Blix wanted those missiles destroyed.

I bet it won't happen.

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	25-02-2003 15:59									#18
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I bet that no matter what saddam does, the US are gonna invade.

And I bet he knows it too.

	25-02-2003 16:00									#19
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I read on the BBC that the missiles had an estimated range of 93 miles and he was banned from having missiles with ranges over 100 miles.

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BBC has mixed their units -- are they trying to be NASA?

	25-02-2003 16:39									#21
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I have probably misremembered it.

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Yep.... now it says they have a range of 183 KM which is above the 150KM allowed.

	25-02-2003 16:51									#23
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Didn't the Iraqis say something along the lines of 'if you put warheads and guidance systems on, they won't fly that far'?

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Yes. Correct.

We need to bomb them soon.

	25-02-2003 17:09									#25
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What about North Korea? They just fired a missile into the sea.

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You know the reason why Mike.

North Korea already have nukes, that gives them military and diplomatic power. That is why we must combat Iraq now, while they are progressing towards them.

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Well chaps, North Korea just doesnt have what it takes to get invaded by the US.

You know what I'm talkin about.
Just kidding......................NOT!

Yep I think you're right. Those imbecils would nuke Seoul just for fun.

	25-02-2003 18:52									#28
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Well duh, Iraq will be invaded by the US anyway, everybody knows that, Saddam included...

Why on earth would he be so stupid as to destroy his own weapons then... jezus, that u ppl don't see that...

	25-02-2003 18:59									#29
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Bush has a vendetta against Saddam, for whatever reasons: oil, terrorism, tried to kill daddy... That much is clear.

The thing that bothers me is that Bush isn't going to be consistent in wanting to get rid of oppressive regimes that promote terrorism. Saudi Arabia is probably the biggest Al Qaeda supporter, yet all we do is give them billions in "aid" while we go after Iraq.

Anyone who thinks this war is about: terrorism, WoMD, oppressive regimes, liberating peoples, or getting rid of an immediate threat to the US:
is fooling themselves.

This war is about Saddam, and Saddam alone. And after Saddam is dead and all the hawks are waving their American flags, watching CNN, and praising our moronic president; there will be no such military action against other nations that have equally oppressive regimes, support terrorism more, or have WoMD. And while the bombs are dropping and the people are cheering, our economy will get worse and worse. Then in 2004, people will wake up and vote Bush out.

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quote: Originally posted by Sava Bush has a vendetta against Saddam, for whatever reasons: oil, terrorism, tried to kill daddy... That much is clear. The thing that bothers me is that Bush isn't going to be consistent in wanting to get rid of oppressive regimes that promote terrorism. Saudi Arabia is probably the biggest Al Qaeda supporter, yet all we do is give them billions in "aid" while we go after Iraq.

One crackpot at at time, Sava.