25-02-2003 16:50									#1
	GS - Voc war? Got spare money?

That's very far from us, and we have other things to worry about, but I just wanted to call your atention about this. In the 1525BC F8 Screen, Vox lost 8 points (from 58 to 50). At this stage of the game that can only be a lost city. Does that mean that they are at war with GS?

	25-02-2003 17:57									#2
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Very strange indeed, Dr. Spock

	25-02-2003 18:17									#3
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I would even say more: Fascinating

(This forum definitely needs a vulcan smiley...)

	25-02-2003 19:12									#4
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They certainly are being quiet about it. I want to watch the campaign unfold. That's the only way to observe human vs. human tactics with any degree of safety.

	25-02-2003 20:18									#5
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Please compare Vox's loss with Lux Invicta as this little anomoly may not be a war, it may be something else entirely.



--Togas

	25-02-2003 20:26									#6
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Compare them in which way Lord Togas?

	26-02-2003 01:22									#7
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From the Saved Game Thread:

quote: Originally posted by Trip Our bottle supply seems to be running low, but we managed to find one to ship overseas.

I think I get it - Trip is hinting that he is no longer on the same continent, but is overseas. Since Vox seems to have lost a city, maybe they arranged a trade which included giving Lux a city on their continent. It explains his comment above, Vox's score, and jibes with Trip's earlier comment about having a "survival" plan just in case.

If this theory is true - What a great escape act by Trip/Lux!

	26-02-2003 01:29									#8
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Note: Trip did tell me his "survival plan" but would only do so if I swore not to tell it to anyone. While I cannot say it, or confirm it, it is not difficult to discover when we look at the intelligence and the few clues I have previously given.

--Togas

	26-02-2003 01:40									#9
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The facts:
I'm completely sure. Vox has a city less than they had early. Their culture production has decreased by 2 points per turn. Most likely a temple in that lost city.

Lux culture production has completely stopped but their score is almost the same except that now is 11 instead of 10.

The Guess:
They could have made some kind of deal with Vox to get that city in exchange of they-know-what. In that case they would have raced their third city in that continent the same time they got the other from Vox.

Can I tell that to other civs, or is it classified?

	26-02-2003 01:41									#10
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I just realized my interpretation of Trip's comment may have been wrong - he may simply meant that he was sending the bottle to Legoland's continent, as they are after Lux, and everyone knows they are on a continent by themselves. However, it still seems a curious time for him to start using language like that. Also, we know that Vox and GS have a tense relationship, but they are nowhere close to war, afaik.

Operating under the temporary assumption that Vox did give Lux a city, what implications does this have on that continent?

Thoughts/Questions:
-We suspect that continent is smaller than ours, so it is very doubtful it can hold three civs.
-What kind of city did they get? Any luxuries/resources?
-If I were Vox, I would give them my most corrupt city - the furthest from my capital, and likely, closest to GS.
-What did Vox get in return? Cash? Techs? A formal alliance?
-What will GS's reaction be to this?

	26-02-2003 01:57									#11
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quote: Originally posted by oliverfa The Guess: They could have made some kind of deal with Vox to get that city in exchange of they-know-what. In that case they would have raced their third city in that continent the same time they got the other from Vox. Can I tell that to other civs, or is it classified?

Keep this and all other speculations our Intelligence Offices comes up with Classified, please.

--Togas