25-02-2003 21:33									#1
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post soon, save seems to be arriving about every 24 hours.

	25-02-2003 21:40									#2
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Pamplona: grows to size 4 again

Please... make sure the WFs are set at

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    #2, shielded grassland
    #6, forest
    #7, cattle bonus
    #8, cattle bonus

	25-02-2003 22:06									#3
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GuObs: SW, to intercept any remaining white-dipermen and provide cover for wounded comrades in the west.

	25-02-2003 22:26									#4
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Madrid Expedition : North

	26-02-2003 01:34									#5
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Visigoth Slaves: Move W, SW, road (on our way to the iron!)
Ruby Slaves: Move E to build the great tunnel through the mountains.
Astrologix Slaves: Start roading.

	26-02-2003 08:58									#6
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I am sure that this will not be well received, but the Iron road project includes a lot of precious worker movement wastage. Astrologix and ruby_maser trapse all the way across the continent to chip in on the mountain itself. 6 turns of movement for each unit 5 of which are not productive. That's 10 worker turns up in smoke. And it results in most of our workers way off in the west and will most likely need to trapse back.

Since we will be in a defensive posture for some time, and horsies are really very nice rapid response units, do we really need to waste 10 worker movement turns here? I think Pamplona could use some tile work more.

It's no big deal to me, as I will plan whatever you want and the decision fork occurs in turn 70 which is quite a ways off. Consider mining Pamplona tile#2 on the way with one of the workers. It delays Iron 2 turns, but develops Pamplona #2 and leaves our workforce better distributed for future tasks.

Ssgt roadcage (retired)

	26-02-2003 14:47									#7
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Roadcage, it's not a matter of efficiency. It's a matter of timing. We've had this kind of discussions several times in past turns, and we end always delaying the conenction to the iron to make it "more efficient". When the Neu Daemons attack us don't say I didn't warned you... Specially now that Lux has disapeared from this continent!

We are not playing in a perfect little box. We have to take other teams in consideration, try to advance to their movements and be ready for the worst.

Last edited by OliverFA on 26-02-2003 at 15:01

	26-02-2003 15:15									#8
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Barcelona : no changes

	26-02-2003 18:53									#9
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Sergeant Skiff, status reports!
-Uh...yes sir, we lost many men, and even more are wounded, but we killed off most of their soldiers, dispersed the women and children and burned the village.
Gold, Dammit! How many times must I insist that you prioritize! How much gold did we find!?
-ouch, well around 25 spanish pieces when we've refined it properly, agh...
Stop moaning, it's not like you're hurt or anything, oh, er...Sergeant, you're bleeding.
-yes sir, i took a spiked club to the ribs, noth...hing to worry about.
Hmmm, we should have healers with us on these expeditions...

Oh well we'll just have to STAY here until we're up to strength. See if you can recruit some of the young men from the village we dispersed, with the proper incentives they can perhaps become loyal to Spain.

	26-02-2003 21:01									#10
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A marathon runner arrives at the burnt out village:

Señor Skiff... I am a... messenger from GuObs. *pant*
We... are covering... your way back to... Saragossa, sire.
*Taking a break, wiping sweat off the forehead*

It's safe for you to go to the healers house in town.
Thank god you got rid of them white-diper-wearers.
It was starting to stink really bad in these areas.
They never change their dipers you know...

	26-02-2003 23:27									#11
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Capitan Nuñez: No need for that. We can heal perfectly well here, unless of course we're needed up there. And saragossa is a long way off. I thought there was going to be built a city not far from here...

Sergeant Skiff: uh...yes sir, the architects named it santiago... its about three marches from here.

Cpt Nuñez: Three marches!? In that case we can stay here and heal!

Sgt Skiff: but sir, the men are anxious to split the plunder and, have some fun.

Private Manuel:Si! I haven' seen a pretty woman in decades! I heard that settler girls are really pretty, and easy

*captitan smacks manuel with a dead trout*

Cpt N: You should have more respect for women. We are not thugs, we are a warrior unit and we will follow a code of honor, and we'll call it...ki, giva, valk, rikavli... I'll think of something, now begone, I need some privacy.
By the way, Skiff, you've earned a promotion, you're hereby Liuetan, luiet, laiuten, oh for spirits sake!

Ltn Skiff: Lieutenant, sir!? Thank you sir.

Cpt N: Whatever, now tell these halfdead jokers to march NORTHEAST, towards Santiago!

*Skiff and manuel leave*

Cpt N to himself: I have my own wounds to attend to...

	27-02-2003 01:58									#12
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I am on lunch break. Will be back in court soon. If anyone will be online in 1-2 hours let's do the turn via turnchat when I return. Please post here if you can play the save. I only have 1 more case to resolve, so I should be free around 2:00-2:30 my time.

--Togas

	27-02-2003 05:56									#13
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Played the turn for Togas, while we were both online. He's posted the screenshots on his Spain Page. I'll provide a full report shortly.

E_T

	27-02-2003 08:32									#14
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Looking at the Spain Page maps, Visigoth moved w,s instead of w,sw as Oliverfa ordered. Both paths are same # of tiles to Iron Mountain, so I guess there is no real difference. The planning wb will be revised to suit.

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	27-02-2003 18:55									#15
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why is there no garrison in Pamplona or Barcelona?

and Pamplona especially because it will send the city into disorder

[edit]: I assume building the spear will cover the city... or I assume someone else assumed that Hope y'all are right...

Last edited by ruby_maser on 27-02-2003 at 19:00

	27-02-2003 20:33									#16
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It looks like there is another "favorable" bug. The silk resource is showing as available to all of our cities where I believe it should be showing only for Madrid and Barcelona. Atleast it shows when I open a pre-move save on my pc. Have other people noticed this?

	27-02-2003 20:46									#17
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Maybe it is because there are two different silk sources, one in Barcelona and one in Santiago

	27-02-2003 21:39									#18
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... where is the report from E_T about the turn?

--Togas

	27-02-2003 22:11									#19
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Sorry about the delay, RL intruded........


Literature Research Complete, Started Researching Polytheism. Set Science slided to 70% - 18 Turns, 6 GPT.

Madrid builds Spearman, starts on another spearman. Added Spear and Barracks to the Queue.
Spearman from Madrid moved NW, W
Maygar Warriors Moved SE, no sign of the Goth Barbs.
Barcelona Warriors moved NW, W; no sign of the Goth Barbs(Barcelona will have a spearman built next turn).
RM Slaves done with the road, move into the mountains (will start on the tunnel next turn).
Spear on mountain between Pamplona and Madrid moved west.
[after discussion with Togas about Pamplona's size and having a lux, it was desided to move the Spear in Pamplona towards Saragossa and have the other spear move to Pamplona. Pamplona will NOT have civil unrest for this following turn]
Spear in Pamplona has moved towards Saragossa (NW, NW, NW).
Astrologix Slaves start road.
Visgoth Slave move W, SW
Spear Arrives in Santiago, Fortifiies.
GuOps moves SW.
Feocalvos Moves to Iron Mountain (will fortify to start healing next turn. Togas & I discussed this, he will have a larger view of the Cow Valley and have added protection while he heals)
Bulger moves SW.
Before Madrid moves, made note of the ND and Lux forces (see screen shot), moved north.
After discussion with Togas, set Pamplona WF to 1-2-7-8, 4 shields, 5 food, 1 gold, 4 beakers. We be changed back next turn.

Military Intel:
We are weak compaired to ND.
We are average compaired to GoW
We are strong compaired to LI, VC & GS.

Foreign Report:
All - we have silks, they do not.
LI - we have writing
ND, GD, GoW, VC - we have Literature
GS - we have HBR (can sell in 1400BC - 3 turns).

That's it as far as I can see.

E_T

	05-03-2003 01:09									#20
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A bit late, but here we go!

code:
SCORE:

RP:  91 (-1)
ND:  82 (+9) (guess which city they have built ;-)
GS:  69 (-2)
GoW: 67 (=)
Vox: 58 (+8) They had a settler prepared to regain the Lux city
Lux: 11 (=)

CULTURE:
Vox: 153 (+5)
GoW: 151 (+3)
ND:  145 (+5)
RP:  139 (+4)
GS:  102 (+2)
Lux:  98 (+2)