27-02-2003 05:20									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior Sure. Really I know that everyone is wrong except you. They are all in a vast conspiracy to villify the Serbs.

Ok, one thing should give you pause: I have no personal or national interest in this at all. Austria and Serbia were traditional enemies for a long time. And vilifying the Serbs is something that actually happens over here. One more reason not to go along with it.

A true patriot should try to improve his country, not reinforce the local forms of idiocy.

	27-02-2003 05:22									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tribune Ok, one thing should give you pause: I have no personal or national interest in this at all. Austria and Serbia were traditional enemies for a long time. And vilifying the Serbs is something that actually happens over here. One more reason not to go along with it.

But you're still wrong.

	27-02-2003 05:28									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior 1. I have not accused all Serbs of genocide. Only Milosevic, who was indicted for genocide by the UN. If the UN is wrong, Newsweek is wrong, and the CIA is wrong, then forgive me. 2. I agree. Bosnian Serbs were attacked too. But both Serbs and Muslims were attacked by the same aggressor - Milosevic. 3. Link please. 4. This is a major threadjack.

Milosevic, in particular, is not guilty.

There *was* no genocide, but ethnic cleansing, done by *all* sides; most of the victims, however, were Serbs.

The worst thing Milosevic did was *not* intervening in Bosnia to save the Serbs there; he should have. But non-intervention is not a war crime (though, with US-inspired 'justice', you never know).

Best links: (one-sided, but you have heard the other side already)
http://www.icdsm.org/

Threadjack: Didnīt you start the topic?

	27-02-2003 05:31									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior But you're still wrong.

No, Iīm not.

	27-02-2003 05:35									#35
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quote: Israel, *as a state*, was *created* by terrorism (against both Arabs and British).

Both foolish and wrong.

Name one terrorist act again the brittish.

Furthermore, name one terrorist act against the arabs that wasn't caused by one of the two jewish splinter organziations, and was not in response to an earlier arab attack.

	27-02-2003 05:36									#36
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Your absolute most credible source is the International Committee to Defend Slobodan Milosevic website?


OK, that's my last post on this topic, as I am not going to be able to sway you and I'm killing Dashi's thread.

	27-02-2003 05:37									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior Does the CIA base its claims on disinformation? From the text of a hearing before the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe: http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/199...deinbosnia.html

hi ,

and just by "accident" you forgot to post the other reports , .......

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	27-02-2003 05:57									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov quote: Israel, *as a state*, was *created* by terrorism (against both Arabs and British). Both foolish and wrong. Name one terrorist act again the brittish.

Pre-Statehood Jewish terrorism
In the 1940s, two Jewish underground organizations, the Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern gang, were responsible for a number of terrorist acts:


The King David Hotel bombing on July 26, 1946, killing 91.
The bombing of the British Embassy in Rome, also in 1946.
Assassinated Lord Moyne in Cairo in 1944 for his refusal to allow Jews to flee from the Holocaust into Palestine during World War II.
Assassinated the UN mediator Count Bernadotte in September, 1948 for his allegedly pro-Arabic conduct during the cease-fire negotiations.
Are claimed to be responsible for the massacres of hundreds of Arab villagers and the forced exile of thousands. In particular, on April 9th, 1948a military operation at Deir Yassin.
In 1947, killed two British sergeants in response to British refusal to cancel the death sentence of two Jewish comrades in Akko prison. Also, killed several suspected collaborators with the Haganah and the British mandate government.
Attacked British military airfields and railways several times in 1946.

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_terrorism

	27-02-2003 05:58									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior Your absolute most credible source is the International Committee to Defend Slobodan Milosevic website?

In case you didnīt notice: They have a link collection.

	27-02-2003 06:17									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tribune Pre-Statehood Jewish terrorism In the 1940s, two Jewish underground organizations, the Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern gang, were responsible for a number of terrorist acts: The King David Hotel bombing on July 26, 1946, killing 91. The bombing of the British Embassy in Rome, also in 1946. Assassinated Lord Moyne in Cairo in 1944 for his refusal to allow Jews to flee from the Holocaust into Palestine during World War II. Assassinated the UN mediator Count Bernadotte in September, 1948 for his allegedly pro-Arabic conduct during the cease-fire negotiations. Are claimed to be responsible for the massacres of hundreds of Arab villagers and the forced exile of thousands. In particular, on April 9th, 1948a military operation at Deir Yassin. In 1947, killed two British sergeants in response to British refusal to cancel the death sentence of two Jewish comrades in Akko prison. Also, killed several suspected collaborators with the Haganah and the British mandate government. Attacked British military airfields and railways several times in 1946. http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_terrorism

All guerilla warfare (KD Hotel was the British military headquarters, and they phoned the hotel to tell them they planted a bomb first) and "are clamed to be responsible for"s.

	27-02-2003 06:19									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Goingonit All guerilla warfare

Not even funny.

	27-02-2003 08:07									#42
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quote: Originally posted by DaShi The problem with terrorist groups like Al Qaeda or Hamas isn't just the fear of sects popping up around the world, but the promotion of the idea that this type of behavior is effective.

Terrorist groups? Interesting leap in there somewhere.

	27-02-2003 08:14									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov quote: Israel, *as a state*, was *created* by terrorism (against both Arabs and British). Both foolish and wrong. Name one terrorist act again the brittish.

Siro,

This information is all over the place. Denying it makes you look silly.

One of the links

	27-02-2003 09:47									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Terrorist groups? Interesting leap in there somewhere.

You're disputing that Al Queda and Hamas are terrorist groups!?

	27-02-2003 09:48									#45
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Sorry about the bombs China.

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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk You're disputing that Al Queda and Hamas are terrorist groups!?

Are we having fun yet, TMM?

	27-02-2003 10:18									#47
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Not particularly.

	27-02-2003 11:44									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tribune A true patriot should try to improve his country, not reinforce the local forms of idiocy.

Look, we all know that you are a local form of idiocy.

	27-02-2003 12:28									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tribune Pre-Statehood Jewish terrorism In the 1940s, two Jewish underground organizations, the Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern gang, were responsible for a number of terrorist acts:

And the guerilla attacks were condemned (and the groups were later dismantled) by the mainstream of Jews in Israel.

I'm suprised that you didn't note the arab terrorism in Palestine that had originated more than 20 years earlier in 1919. Oh wait, no I'm not.

	27-02-2003 12:39									#50
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sikander, that flame was straight out of 4th grade

	27-02-2003 12:53									#51
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	27-02-2003 13:00									#52
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 sikander, that flame was straight out of 4th grade

"When in Rome..."

	27-02-2003 13:14									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Edan And the guerilla attacks were condemned (and the groups were later dismantled) by the mainstream of Jews in Israel.

A sematics game is all fun and jolly, but that cannot change the fact that these people targeted civilians to force a change in the political scene. That is precisely what terrorism is about.

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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger A sematics game is all fun and jolly, but that cannot change the fact that these people targeted civilians to force a change in the political scene.

The King David hotel was the military headquaters of the british at the time. The Deir Yassin incident was an attack that started against armed (and attacking) civilians - otherwise known as militants. And "hundreds" did not die in that incident - and, for the most part, it became infamous because Arab leaders started exaggerating reports for propoganda purposes. As for the others, I don't know the details.

	27-02-2003 13:39									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander Look, we all know that you are a local form of idiocy.

hi ,



have a nice day

	27-02-2003 13:41									#56
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	27-02-2003 13:44									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Edan The King David hotel was the military headquaters of the british at the time.

hi ,

and just as there are some people here who claim that when hamas or hez****la or whatever group blows up innocent people its an attack on a justified military target , so is the hotel bombing a justified military target , .....

the main point is that we dont blow ourselfs up , and documents have revealed that the british knew way in advance , ....

we dont know when a bus blows up , or when we are going to get a knive in our back , .... we dont know in advance when someone is going to sneak in our houses and goes strait to the childrens room , ....

have a nice day

	27-02-2003 19:52									#58
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk You're disputing that Al Queda and Hamas are terrorist groups!?

He really doesn't know any better.

Nice save, UR.

	27-02-2003 20:11									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola Sounds more like a turf struggle on who gets the cafeteria contract.

The universities both owned the cafeterias and did not subcontract them out. At least, that's how it was for the Qinghua cafeteria. I never ate at the Beijing University cafeteria so I'm not sure.

What's kind of amusing about this is the old Chinese adage about the two universities. That Beijing University (which focusses on literature and arts) produces a very revolutionary alumni body - including Mao Zedong, whereas Qinghua (which focusses on science and technology) produces a technically expert alumni body including present President Hu Jintao.

So the joke goes round that Beijing University's alums tear the country apart, and when they're done with that, Qinghua alums put it back together again.

Of course in this case perhaps a Beijing University revolutionary teamed up with a Qinghua University chemistry major.

I heard a similar thing happened in Shanghai's FuDan university ... does anybody have any reports on this either way?

(And before you mention the old adage that all Qinghua girls are unspeakably ugly, I hasten to add that I was only there as part of an exchange program! )

	27-02-2003 20:55									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Alinestra Covelia What's kind of amusing about this is the old Chinese adage about the two universities. That Beijing University (which focusses on literature and arts) produces a very revolutionary alumni body - including Mao Zedong, whereas Qinghua (which focusses on science and technology) produces a technically expert alumni body including present President Hu Jintao.

Are you sure? IIRC, Mao was just a librarian there, where he met Prof. Li.