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Arrian
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Kneel before Grog!
Jul 2001
time: 00:26
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I bided my time, and eventually the Franco-American MPP lapsed.
The Franco-Gallic MPP, however, was in full effect when my forces landed. I had built a city inbetween a couple of American (Russian, formerly) cities to grab silks, and of course the Amis sent in their Knights... and found themselves at war with the only other civs on the planet.
I made two major landings - one of which netted me another luxury (furs) and the other gave me the foothold I wanted to march on Washington.
As I was bringing my forces into position around Washington in 1610AD, I was informed that I had won, via domination, score 5671! ARG! NO! RELOAD!
Back to 1605. Everthing I could muster was thrown at Washington, and *damn* it was bloody. The final longbowman defender fell to a 1hp Cavalry (the Cav started the battle at 1hp, mind you) and Washington was mine. The Sistine and the final luxury, Gems, were under my control. Now THAT's more like it.
According to the replay, I generated 8 Great Leaders. If Memory serves, 2 were from archers, 1 from a knight, and the rest from Gallics. Gallics do indeed rock 
I've attached the 1605AD save (zipped), having just taken Washington. The win comes at end of turn.
-Arrian
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BigDork
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The biggest dork around.
Jan 2003
time: 05:26
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Originally posted by Arrian
Good luck, BigD, hang in there. Hell, restart and try a new approach. Doesn't matter, it's not a competition.
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Excellent idea Arrian...
So I took Arrian's advice and decided to restart. I feel I've learned a lot by struggling through the ancient age and decided to see just how much I learned.
The game started pretty good. By luck one of my scouting warriors happened upon an Indian settler making his way to a new site. Well this was too good a chance to pass up. So I took him out real quick. In my first try I had had a problem where I had a pretty weak military and the other civs were trying and succeeding in bullying me around. Well this time I didn't take any crap. I had already built up a few archers by the time I went to war with India so I rushed them just as fast as they could go down to Delhi. I quickly took Delhi just about the time I got iron hooked up. And what was better is where India got respawned at. They are west of Rome. And what's better is that the iron deposit is in their territory. Meaning Rome doesn't have any iron. This is proving to be invaluable right now and in the near future.
Anyway, I started to build up some GS. Then China did something stupid like try to march a settler across my territory or something. Well I had about 5 or 6 GS so I decided that an early war to teach them a lesson would be a good idea. I managed to auto-raze two cities and capture Beijing. After Beijing fell I went for peace and got a tech and a few workers from the Chinese. Also by this time I had a pretty good worker force going. One of the things that really irked me my last game was the amount of undeveloped tiles I had that were being used by my cities. Well with all the slaves I had captured and the workers I had made I did a nice job finding a good balance.
Well after my quick war with China I started to build up my military some more. Then Xerxes goes and starts making demands. Umm...okay. More than anyone I wanted to punish Persia for last game. They were way too powerful. So I decided to teach them a lesson. In the first Gaelic-Persian war I managed to push them back to the choke point and hold them there. Again, I auto-razed a few cities along the way. Pushing them back I then went for peace and got a pretty good deal from them.
I just kept building up my military. Lots of GS. Not as many as some of you but a lot by my standards. Near the end of the ancient age me and the Persians were at it again. They had landed some settlers by boat on the other side of the choke-point and I really didn't like that. I let it go for a while but they kept expanding and I wasn't having any of that. By now I had kinda slacked off on building GS and was building horsemen in several cities(getting ready for chivalry). But I still had plenty of GS laying around to get the job done. Oh yeah, another reason we went to war was the Persians had just completed the Great Library and Hanging Garden in their capitol. Well I signed a RoP and positioned my GS and few remaining archers in good places. Yeah I know I killed my rep but it was worth it. First turn I had their capitol, pillaged their iron and taken two other cities. But I was afraid of Persepolis flipping back so I ended up having most of my offensive units garrisoned there. That kinda bogged down my war. So I went on the defense for a turn or two and went to peace.
Now the whole time Rome was down in their area building up. But thanks to a strategically placed warrior I managed to keep them bottled in. And also thanks to the Indians I don't have to worry about legions coming for me. Actually I'm surprised that Rome hasn't totally obliviated the Indians by now. Rome has only been in one war. And it was with the Chinese. Since I had blocked off the choke-point all they did was land 1 spearman. Not the AI's best showing. If it had been a human player, India would be dead, Rome would have iron and my 1 warrior would have been dead before 500BC.
Back to the story. Well the race was on. It was me vs. Persia in a race for Sun Tzu. Well, Persia was winning. I decided to let them finish it for me and then go back to war to capture it. Didn't hapen. They had some units in my territory and when I politely(I'm always polite ) asked them to leave they declared war on my. Grrrr.... Oh well, their loss. Within 3 turns Persia was no more. But wait, what's this? The SoB's had 1 settler in a galley. Well I go for peace anyway. Whatever. They finally settled on the island to the SW of our start position. Oh well. In the end I managed to build Sun Tzu and finally got a leader. I rushed Leo's Workshop with that leader. Thought about making a army but decided against it. Not sure if it was a good idea or not.
Now it was the Chinese turn. The whole time I was fighting Persia they were attempting to settle new cities in the south. Well I was blocking the settlers with slaves and being a general pain in the @$$ for them. And when my war with Persia was over it was go time. I managed to hit 3 Chinese settlers the first turn of the war. China too feel swiftly. But not to my GS. To my knights. Making all those horsies definatly helped. While it was expensive to upgrade(80gp. I had no idea!:dizzy. The GS were still part of my offensive however. All that are left are elite and since China has yet to learn the ways of feudalism it worked out nicely. And unlike Persia, China didn't have a settler in reserve. No more China.
And that's where I am. I've been bouncing from civ to civ kicking butt where ever I go. But I've only managed to get 1 leader so far.   I always have very poor luck when it comes to leaders. But I'll survive. I probably should have just built Leo's and made an army. Rome is in 2nd place and they just got invention. I have been in monarcy ever since I first got it. I just made the switch to Republic while I build up some. I'm repositioning my forces to hit Rome. Without iron they are just asking to be taken out. Or at least severly reduced in size.
The biggest mistake I made was after I got the GL I slowed down my research thinking to let the AI's do the research for me. Bad idea. Rome was the only one to even be close to me and I was about 3 techs infront of them for a while. I did manage to get Republic however. But now I'm back to researching as quickly as possible. And I have a crap load of money so I guess it's okay. I stil haven't made contact with the other continent. Whoever was captaining your galleys sure knew what they were doing because mine just sink like a rock. The RNG has been a total bit.. this game. I'm getting very little luck. The worst had to be losing an elite GS to a regular warrior. That hurt.
It's time to move my palace but I don't know where. I'm thinking of Delhi or the surrounding area. Unfortuatly my FP was built 1 city north of my capitol. When Persia got the GL it was either switch to my FP or lose a whole lot of shields. Not the ideal place but oh well. If I abandoned that city would I get to build the FP again?
Anyway, the screenshot shows my army as it stands now. I'm currently building up more knights for the push on Rome but doubt I'll need too many more. China hurt me a little before they finally kicked the bucket. I probably lost about 10 units. A lot more than I was expecting considering it was knights and GS vs. spearmen. And I was only attacking a few cities. But I'll live. Thanks Arrian for the wonderful idea
BigD
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nbarclay
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Huntsville, Alabama
Dec 1999
time: 23:26
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And Resourceful Ralph looked at the results of the first war, and the results were not good. Tolerable, maybe, but certainly not what he had hoped for. And Resourceful Ralph said, "Let there be more cities, and more barracks, and more archers, so that we may resume our war with the Chinese and get them out of the way once and for all." And there were more barracks, and more archers, and more war with China. But once again, after auto-razing a single city, Resourceful Ralph's forces were in tatters and he was forced to make peace.
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nbarclay
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Huntsville, Alabama
Dec 1999
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And Resourceful Ralph said, "Let us now build cities, and let us build barracks, and warriors, and still more warriors. And let us upgrade those warriors to Gallic Swordsmen, and wipe the remnants of the hated Chinese from the face of the earth.
So the Celts built additional cities, and built barracks and many warriors, and Resourceful Ralph saw that it was good. And the Celts learned Polytheism and Monarchy at a snail's pace and traded them away, and Resourceful Ralph saw that that was okay although he didn't get as much for Monarchy as he had hoped for. And Resourceful Ralph saw that iron was hooked up, and that was very good indeed! 
So it came to pass that in 230 BC, the Golden Age of the Celts began. And China fell. And two Persian cities fell. And the Celts got a great leader and persuaded Persia to give up Literature in exchange for peace so that a Great Library could be constructed. And Resourceful Ralph saw that that was good because it meant his people could focus on building Gallic Swordsmen and ignore research for a long time to come.
And Resourceful Ralph said, "Behold, we have many Gallic Swordsmen and peace with Persia. What preventeth us from conquering our Indian neighbors to the south?" And Ralph's advisors could see no good reason to refrain from such a battle. And Gallic Swordsmen rampaged across the Indian countryside, so that when the war was over, Ghandi had only three cities left. And Resourceful Ralph looked at his new maps and saw that they were good.
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nbarclay
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Huntsville, Alabama
Dec 1999
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And Resourceful Ralph said, "Let us now rest and heal our forces and then attack Persia again. And let us wipe them from the face of the continet." And his advisors said, "But wait, sir, we have a peace treaty with them." And Resourceful Ralph said, "I know that, but have you not heard of the Arrian Deception? And Resourceful Ralph's staff thought it over and decided that the plan was good. Indeed, Resourceful Ralph and his planners had so much faith in their forces that they ordered the Celtic cities to switch over to peacetime production, catching up on infrastructure long delayed by the military build-up.
But in the meantime, Xerxes' planners had an idea of their own. "Resourceful Ralph and his Celtic people are becoming too powerful, my lord. Let us send immortals into his lands and claim some of that vast territory for ourselves." Xerxes thought it over and said, "Okay, but no more than one or two of them at first, until we see how Resourceful Ralph responds." So it came to pass that at the exact time Resourceful Ralph wanted to reopen the war with Persia, the Persians declared war on the Celts rather than obey an order to leave.
And Gallic Swordsmen streamed forth into the Persian lands. And immortals were no match for them. And pikemen were no match for their weight of numbers. And city after city fell until Xerxes gladly surrendered all but a single island city in exchange for peace.
Then, when the peace treaty with India expired, Resourceful Ralph cast his eyes to the southeast and said, "There are still three splotches of purple left on my continet. Now I like purple as much as the mext ruler, but not on my maps in places where green belongs." So Resourceful Ralph's generals ordered their troops to the southeast, and the purple turned green, and Ghandi escaped to a new capital on an island.
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nbarclay
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Huntsville, Alabama
Dec 1999
time: 23:26
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Then Resourceful Ralph said, "The days of the Gallic Swordsman are numbered. Let us keep what we have for defense, but let us build up a vast army of horsemen that we may someday upgrade to cavalry and sweep all opposition aside. And let us seek out a great leader who will build us Leonardo's Workshop, so that even the vast gold supplies we are accumulating when we are not too busy rushing city improvements will not prove insufficient."
And it came to pass that Caesar cast his eyes to the north and was unhappy at the great prosperity his resourcefulness had brought to Ralph's people. And Caesar spoke with his generals, and everyone agreed that Ralph's resources were spread too thin after his earlier conquests and that a successful war could be prosecuted.
But Resourceful Ralph had his own ideas. Gallic Swordsmen captured Rome's one city on the Celtic side of the isthmus separating Roman and Celtic lands, and when Caesar got sufficient forces together to retake the city, Ralph handed it over to Xerxes for safekeeping. Ralph also relieved Caesar of two island cities and handed one over to Xerxes when Roman forces threatened to take it back. In the meantime, one of the battles produced the leader Ralph had wanted so badly, and soon, Leonardo's Workshop went into operation. (Interestingly, the Celts researched Invention for a single turn between the time they got their leader and the time the Great Library brought the technology needed for Leonardo's to them.) By that time, Caesar was willing to negotiate peace.
Resourceful Ralph welcomed the peace since he had no desire to build new Gallic Swordsmen or send his poorly equipped horsemen into battle. But it did leave him with one problem: other nations had been working on the Sistine Chapel for a long time, and Ralph wanted it for himself. The only way to build such a wonder in a timely manner was to gain a great leader through warfare, and that required a target. Well, Ralph hadn't meant the cities he'd handed over to Persia to be anything more than a loan anyhow.
Most of Ralph's elite forces redeployed to the island the Celts shared with Persia, and the final conquest of Persia went smoothly. An ancient elite archer unit left over from the Chinese wars produced a leader, and the Celts finished their Sistine Chapel just a turn or two ahead of one of their rivals.
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nbarclay
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Huntsville, Alabama
Dec 1999
time: 23:26
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And it came to pass that Caesar's heart was hardened, and he forgot the lessons of Ralph's resourcefulness, and he once again launched an attack into Celtic territory. And Celtic losses were heavy, and their forces few (other than a vast supply of horsemen who were not considered combat-ready), and Ralph was forced to give away a city to India before Rome could take it. But Rome suffered setbacks in island fighting (having intruded on the Celts' island with a city of their own) so Caeser could be persuaded to make peace. Caesar then declared war on India, capturing the city Ralph had given to Ghandi and eventually eliminating the Indians entirely. But the gift had done its job: Indian cultural borders had proved sufficient to slow Rome's advance northward until peace could be negotiated. (They don't call him Resourceful Ralph for nothing. ) The top map in the set below shows the situation left after those skirmishes.
Then it was the Celts' turn. The moment the Great Library brought an understanding of Education to the Celtic people, Resourceful Ralph had ordered research toward Military Tradition at the fastest rate possible. Once that discovery was completed, the Celts began a massive upgrade of horsemen to cavalry. The situation was less then ideal since rival nations knew how to make muskets, but it was quite good nonetheless. And upgrades of more than seventy horsemen would ensure an ample military force for a long time to come.
Even cavalry found the proposition of battering through mountains into Roman territory a difficult and somewhat costly proposition. But it could have been far worse if Caesar had deployed his muskets there instead of reserving them for city defense. In any case, the Celts had enough cavalry that they could afford losses, and only a combination of war weariness and a Roman unit's threat to capture an undefended island city persuaded Ralph to call a halt to the fighting before the entire continent was claimed. As it was, only two Roman cities on the mainland escaped capture, although Rome had gotten another one back (toward the southeast) in a culture flip.
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nbarclay
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Huntsville, Alabama
Dec 1999
time: 23:26
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With Rome no longer a threat, Ralph cast his eyes overseas. He had already built up a fleet of a dozen caravels, and he had more than enough cavalry to fill them. Navigation had been discovered during the Roman war, so his ships would be able to make the trip safely in spite of its distance.
Better, America had offered a perfect opening. America and France were in an alliance against Russia, and American conquest left a perfect landing site outside of everyone's cultural borders. Cavalry could land unopposed and then do what cavalry do best: Charge! About half the caravels were used in the first wave, with more following as quickly as troops could finish crossing the continent to reach them.
Conquering America was almost child's play after the difficulty Rome had caused. Terrain was little more than a nuisance, and only a single American musket unit was ever seen. Before long, Abe was exiled to his island posessions.
Then it was France's turn. French musketeers were murderous, because the AU mod's boost in their movement rate rendered cavalry unable to retreat from them. Many cavalry died, but in the end, Joan was also exiled from her home continent.
(I'm curious as to how well that aspect of the musketeer's faster movement rate was thought out. AU Mod musketeers seem about as deadly to cavalry as riflemen are, or at least very close, and I hate to think what it would be like trying to fight them with nothing better than knights. At least going up against Impi, you have the option of using swordsmen instead of horsemen. But with musketeers, the only contemporary options available through much of the unit's useful life are knights and medieval infantry. It's a lot like fighting Impi with only horsemen and archers available - only worse because a much higher percentage of cities are over size six.)
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nbarclay
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Huntsville, Alabama
Dec 1999
time: 23:26
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I would tell the story of the conquest of Russia, but what's to tell? Three cities, two turns, and one less civ in the game. The Celts did get a leader, though, who eventually went on to rush Universal Suffrage.
Then came the conquest of the remaining Roman cities on the home continent and of one Roman island city. But the unmarred green didn't last long before Hispalis flipped back to Rome for the second time. Not long after, culcural borders expanded enough to secure a domination victory. Tech-wise, I finished four techs into the industrial age, while everyone else was still at least two techs away.
By the way, early in the game, I used a leader to to rush my forbidden palace in India near the center of my home continent. During the war with Fance, I used another leader to move my palace to northern France in a fairly central location on that continent. With police stations under Democracy, I suspect that few cities on either continent would be totally corrupt, not that I intend to keep playing to find out. For me, planning to move my palace to the other continent is almost a "must" when I'm planning a domination victory on a continents map; what sense does it make to conquer the world if you can't rule it reasonably efficiently?
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