28-02-2003 07:44									#1
	Anyone have an opinion on SE IV? Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

I'm trying to get the bad taste of Moo3 out of my mouth. Has anyone tried Space Empires IV, and if so, what do you think? Is it worth, it or should I just hang on for GalCiv in a month or so?

	28-02-2003 07:47									#2
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Space empires is a great game and has easy access menus and production orders, etc. With all of the mods out there for it (a great one involving the Star Trek genre is very cool), you would not be dropping this baby for years to come.

	28-02-2003 07:47									#3
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There is a demo....and I have tried it on several occasions, but just dont seem to care for it that much. Just doesnt excite me.

	28-02-2003 08:35									#4
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I was a huge SE3 fan and I play SE4 from time to time. It is a better looking game, but a bit more complex than SE3.

	28-02-2003 09:51									#5
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Solid game, with a pretty dedicated mod community. I still get a lot of play out of it.

Diplomacy is a bit on the shoddy to nonexistant side, though.

	28-02-2003 10:40									#6
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SE IV is a great game. I've never seen so many bugs as there are in this game but they are great at fixing them.

	28-02-2003 10:45									#7
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Woo Hoo!!!!
I just got promoted from "settler" to "chieftain" with the last post (sorry, I couldn't resist).

	28-02-2003 10:45									#8
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quote: Originally posted by mrbilll I'm trying to get the bad taste of Moo3 out of my mouth. Has anyone tried Space Empires IV, and if so, what do you think? Is it worth, it or should I just hang on for GalCiv in a month or so?

sounds like you're never going to play Moo3 again, make sure to come back and visit when Moo4 comes out

	28-02-2003 12:10									#9
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i made this with you in mind mrbilll:

of course you may not get the joke if you weren't here for civ3.

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	28-02-2003 20:12									#10
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Thanks all, for the replies.

I don't get the joke, H Tower, but I appreciate the thought. Some of the decisions made for Civ3 put many people off, including me.

But they weren't show stopping, stake-through-the-heart things like Moo3. Some things I got used to, and other things have been modded/patched more to my satisfaction, and Civ3 was FUN right from the start. I wasn't stunned into silence by the complexity or the interface.

But I'll still have my ear to the ground. If Moo3 gets modded or patched enough to salvage (doubtful) or if Moo4 ever comes around (more likely, but not anytime soon), I'll know, and be glad to try again.

	01-03-2003 06:07									#11
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i like SEIV never played the others in the series tho....

	01-03-2003 06:30									#12
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SEIV is, as far as I am concerned, the king of multiplayer strategy games. There is a website out there that hosts PBEM games for it, but I don' have it's url handy. You can find all sorts of games starting there regularily, everything from death matchs to epic roleplaying (be warned of huge galaxies though, not everyone can play forever).

However, the game it self isn't really all that impressive and the AI is pretty inept so single player games are not that interesting.

Be sure to get the gold version if you get it.

	03-03-2003 14:27									#13
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Yeah - a good game, but not as gripping as SEIII for me

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	03-03-2003 16:18									#14
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I'm not very up to date, what's so horrible with Moo3 now?

	03-03-2003 18:11									#15
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Nothing is. Some people where expecting a MOO2 clone, is all. It's a completely different game.

	03-03-2003 19:21									#16
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This game is very low profile in the UK, but I played the demo for a while. It seems pretty good if you're into the 4x genre.

	03-03-2003 21:00									#17
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Very low profile indeed - my copy is an import - I have NEVER seen it available here...

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	03-03-2003 21:05									#18
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Yes it wise to keep an eye on games not released here. The great Combat Mission had no UK release that I recall, and for a strategy gamer to miss it would be a shame.

	17-03-2003 15:39									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld SEIV is, as far as I am concerned, the king of multiplayer strategy games

Read the SE V thread about my "newborn" approach to SEIVG (after perusing the Demo sometimes ago).
I'm enjoying it, although it's not the best of games I saw.
I'm just halfway thru my first game.
But I already wonder (the same usual MP question...):
How is combat resolved in PBEM????

I think I already know the answer: in PBEMS, combats are *forcibly* resolved in *strategical* mode.

For games like Stars!, which *from the start* renounced to tactical combat, there was nothing you felt you were losing in MP/PBEM.
But the games which DO offer *tactical* combat, have a GREAT problem in PBEM. That:
- if you happen to *LIKE* tactical combat in the middle of a TBS game ( I *DO*), then a PBEM is a *mutilated* game mode in that sense. (that's imho the *paramount* downside an MP MoM2 would have to face)
- with the albeit very limited experience I have in SEIVG, I saw that THANKS to controlling a combat in tactical I can win 90% of the combats with *0* damage against 2-level-higher ship calsses. The same forces matching, fought in "strategic", would see me losing at least 65% of the times, and alweays with relevant losses ("Optimal firing Range" and "Don't Get Hurt" combat policies just don't work as their names should suggest, in the hands of the AI)