28-02-2003 09:56									#1
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To be edited by the leaders of the Scholia.

Status:
- Research idling at 0% investment (technically on Philosophy).
- 153 gold cash, about +24 per turn. (Cash reflects 75 gold from Vox.)

Urgent questions:
- Still haven't made a final decision on the deal with Lux and Vox.

Military:


Economy:
- Workers by Cyclone and Tornado start mines.
- Worker by Bolderberg starts irrigation.
- Worker by Tempest finishes irrigation, starts road.
- Move Bolderberg's laborer on the game tile to the forest tile.
- Move Cyclone's new laborer to the game tile. (Cyclone should be working the game, the mined wheat, and two mined grasslands with shield.)
- Move EotS's laborer currently on the irrigated fur to an irrigated plains, allowing Hurricane's new laborer to use the fur when he shows up. This shouldn't affect when EotS finishes its next worker if we do things right.


Diplomacy:
- Get some kind of trade deal lined up with ND if possible.

Trade Deal Status:

ND
-Message sent regarding CoL trade(25/2)
-Message has been read(26/2)
-ND proposed same deal as GoW, we diddn't accept
-new message has been sent asking to come up with something else
-new message has been read, no answer yet (27/2)
-new message to Murkel asking to speed things up(20.00h-27/2)
-ND has acknowledged message and have responded although nothing concrete is mentioned (26/2)
(alva)
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GoW
-I have sent HotE a counter proposal, and i think they would accept it- for 100 gold guarantee, along with a NWA. so send
GoW CoL the worst case is that they won't match it with 100 gold, and then we refuse.
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RP
RP acknowledges our deal, the moment we offer CoL, they say they can match it with Lit. Offer RP CoL

Last edited by zeit on 02-03-2003 at 23:18

	28-02-2003 10:06									#2
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The extra gold will do some good on the power graph.

	28-02-2003 10:08									#3
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Hmmmm, is Vox allowed to have warrior that close?

	28-02-2003 10:19									#4
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That's his normal post, and it's not in Luxian territory, so there's no problem with where he is.

I'm not sure how much I want us looking "good" on the power graph. There are advantages to laying low to a certain degree.

	28-02-2003 10:56									#5
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ok
-
true, but with some (re)negotiations with Lux (and vox?) coming up, I consider it a good thing.

	28-02-2003 16:59									#6
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I agree with Alva, and hope that a higher power rating won't make the teams on Bob less eager to trade with us.

	01-03-2003 05:25									#7
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	01-03-2003 05:41									#8
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What I'm more concerned with is the shift in power: 2 turns ago, Vox and Lux exchanged gold for a city, and that more or less evens out (in the power graph, you see a bump for Vox, but that's actually their newly build city). However, we already build a city last turn, and are going to receive 75 gold from Vox this turn (on top of our own added 24 gold), we will grow in power, when Vox will shrink. I'm not sure if others can't deduce our deal (however, they will ahve to look extremely careful to see it)
OTOH, we are selling CoL to everyone, somebody could pay us in cash
DeepO

	02-03-2003 04:11									#9
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I think the continent fellows are up to Lux's new trick- check the message from Hot_Enamel on the GoW log- "there are rumors of Lux having a city on your continent, or something of that sort..."

And some more troubles from GoW as well- i got a different propsal from Panzer32 altogether- including all sorts of agreements, check the log as well. I tried to convince him that we considered it a done deal, but perhaps a 100 gold guarantee can also be accepted. I hope he'll return a positive answer. I'd hate to see this being dragged further on- damn they're lack of internal organization!

Last edited by zeit on 02-03-2003 at 04:22

	02-03-2003 04:29									#10
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I haven't upgraded yet, so I can go ahead and play if we want to.

	02-03-2003 04:31									#11
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Also- what about BOB's screenshot, are they giving them or not?

If they do not, i think it's still worth considering kicking them off the isle. Would also save us some trouble with GoW and ND...

	02-03-2003 04:35									#12
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What happens when a town grows and builds a Worker or Settler on the same turn?

(I can never remember this)

	02-03-2003 06:13									#13
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Theseus, first production is added. So if the new citizen produces something, those shields are added before the citizen gets added to the worker / settler. More information will certainly come from Nathan, he's a lot more experienced in this... I thought new commerce isn't added to science output, but I'm not sure

DeepO

	02-03-2003 06:38									#14
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I can't really add much to what DeepO said. I've never run tests regarding commerce (or science), but I frequently take advantage of the extra production in making plans for EotS and sometimes for other cities as well. New laborers don't have to be fed until after you've had a chance to move them to tiles that produce more food.

Nathan

	03-03-2003 02:47									#15
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Okay, I'm ready to play the turn. Any objections to going ahead and offering Code of Laws to RP, GoW, ND (in case they're willing to make an offer in-game), and as a gift to Vox as per our agreement?

	03-03-2003 02:56									#16
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Score information:

114 (+3) Gathering Storm
121 (+2) Demogyptica
101 (+2) Glory of War
127 (+2) Role Play
88 (+1) Vox Controli
70 (-0) Lux Invicta
135 (+2) Legoland

We got a +3!

	03-03-2003 03:03									#17
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Go ahead and send them the tech, it can't hurt, can it?

*crossing fingers*
I just hope HotE is honorable enough to stand by his word- to accept the deal if GF "meant we agreed", like he said...

	03-03-2003 03:27									#18
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Screenshots sent.

	03-03-2003 03:28									#19
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You already played the turn? Good, or else I would have done it now, to keep the 24 hour limit. I think I would have done the same about the deals. Offering the techs can not hurt us.

	03-03-2003 03:34									#20
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I haven't done the deals yet, but I wanted to go ahead and get the screenshots taken care of. I'll do the deals and send the turn now.

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Turn sent, 28 minutes before the 24-hour limit.

	03-03-2003 03:41									#22
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We need a road 33 and irrigation 32 from Tempest.

	03-03-2003 03:51									#23
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Theseus, that's next on the worker's agenda. (I'll get the road in before the irrigation if I can without compromising growth.)

	03-03-2003 03:55									#24
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Well, obviously the road is critical from a military perspective.

(god, I love industrial)

	03-03-2003 04:06									#25
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I agree about the road's military value, but if we do end up with a barracks there, being a turn ahead in growth could provide a more lasting military advantage than getting the road finished a couple turns sooner. In any case, I think the timing will work out where the two goals aren't in conflict with each other.

	03-03-2003 11:30									#26
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Nathan, for some reason I didn't receive the screenshots again. Could you check if you have included me in your list?