28-02-2003 13:03									#1
	CM4 Demo is out !!!!! Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Ok, I just downloaded it, was very easy and very good speeds.

I return later with some comments

http://www.sigames.com/downloads_view.php?id=301

the link holds multiple mirrors, the 4 one was the fastest (for me).

	28-02-2003 14:37									#2
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I hate you.

I expect to see a full review and screenshots here before 5pm GMT, OK?



Have fun!

	28-02-2003 14:40									#3
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For people's information:

The file is 29.9MB.

Features disabled from demo:

quote: Ability to arrange friendly Ability to cancel friendly Send players for rehabilitation Network / Internet / Hotseat Play Sound Effects Viewing a Full Match Future Fees for players Starting a new game Background pictures Assistants recommending players to clubs Saving Highlights Viewing other teams tactics

The presence of 'viewing a full match' and 'starting a new game' on there are a little confusing, but I'm sure alva will tell the whole class all about it soon.


also:

quote: Known Crashes In team screens when you go to any other view apart from the Traditional and sort, it crashes In fixture screens when you click on 'Show next fixture' when a team has no fixtures

	28-02-2003 14:56									#4
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I won my first game :

4-0 but the game simply dropped two of them.
Reported that bug immediatly but apparently it's a known and fixed for the final version.

oh FP, it's waaaaaaaaaaay better then cm3, the options are wooooow, the menu's are greeeeeeaaaaaaaat!!!
Well, what can I say about the 2d engine except for sssssssuuuuuuupppeeeeeeerbbbbbb.

	28-02-2003 15:02									#5
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quote: Originally posted by alva I won my first game : 4-0 but the game simply dropped two of them. Reported that bug immediatly but apparently it's a known and fixed for the final version.

So even though you won 4-0, after the game was over it only registered as a 2-0 win?
That's weird, but at least it's fixed for the full version.

quote: oh FP, it's waaaaaaaaaaay better then cm3, the options are wooooow, the menu's are greeeeeeaaaaaaaat!!! Well, what can I say about the 2d engine except for sssssssuuuuuuupppeeeeeeerbbbbbb.

* FrustratedPoet is seething with jealousy

	28-02-2003 15:04									#6
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

What leagues can you choose to play in the demo?

All of them, or just the English Premiership?

/edit: It's also probably worth pointing out to other people who may read this that the demo is offically titled as a 'Beta Demo', which is SI's way of saying "expect it to be buggy". That's fine with me, though, I just want to play the damn thing.

	28-02-2003 15:20									#7
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Only the English premiership, is there any other

There will be a new demo 'soon' (about 14 days before the final release)

Straight to the SI forums...

http://community.sigames.com/1/Open...9056&f=71019056

	28-02-2003 15:24									#8
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet The file is 29.9MB, so even a dial-up user could get it eventually if they have a download manager.

off topic - i just wanted to say why does everyone assume it's so hard for dialup users to get large files? i've downloaded gta3, and daggerfall without getting disconnected and it only took a day or so. with a download manager like getright it's a snap to get files. getright will even auto redial if you get disconnected or if what you are dling is in segments it'll move onto the next one if you set it up right. getright!

	28-02-2003 15:31									#9
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quote: Originally posted by pg off topic - i just wanted to say why does everyone assume it's so hard for dialup users to get large files?

I don't know why everyone does it, but I know why I do it: Because when I had a dial-up connection I found it very hard to download big files (like 50+MB) even with a download manager. Just speaking from personal experience, I'm glad you have found it easier than I did.

PS- broadband roXXorZ!

Anyway, back on topic.....

	28-02-2003 15:35									#10
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Probably because without a download manager, all your download is lost if you are disconnected. And (based on personal experience) you are disconnected a lot. One ISP disconnected people every 4 hours - it cost us a fortune just in phone bills.

But thats OT, so I'll leave now.

	28-02-2003 16:41									#11
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quote: and it only took a day or so.

Well thats why I don't - only got 1 phone line.

	28-02-2003 19:43									#12
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* FrustratedPoet thinks "Gee, I bet alva's having a lot of fun playing the CM4 demo right now"

* FrustratedPoet will spend all weekend drinking and having sex, but would STILL rather stay home and play CM4
* FrustratedPoet thinks that is pretty darn tragic and makes a mental note to slap himself in the head with a large trout

	28-02-2003 21:38									#13
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*Alex agrees with FP's last remark*

Well, I pretty much have a chance to try it now. I always wanted to know what is with all the fuss about these Championship Manager games. But I guess that even the final release won't have a Brazilian league, now will it?

	28-02-2003 21:41									#14
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The final release will certainly have a Brazilian league, even CM97/98 had that IIRC.

quote: There will be 39 leagues in CM4. Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, China, Columbia, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, England, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Holland, Hong Kong, India, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Mexico, N. Ireland, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Russia, S. Africa, S. Korea, Scotland, Singapore, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, USA, Wales, Yugoslavia are all included.

	28-02-2003 21:45									#15
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The collection of cash for me to buy a new computer starts now!!!

	28-02-2003 22:08									#16
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Has anyone else noticed how file servers are crap in the UK? I cant count how many times ive got a MUCH better transfer rate in Sweden or Norway. Bah im gonna wait for the second demo

	28-02-2003 22:46									#17
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet The final release will certainly have a Brazilian league, even CM97/98 had that IIRC.

Oh, then I'll try that demo and see how it plays.

	01-03-2003 00:11									#18
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You guys play footie down there in Brasil??

Alex I think you will be plesantly surprised to find an extensive Brasilian database in CM.

Who do you support by the way? The Fox network carries one Brasilian game a week up here in the States United.

	01-03-2003 05:09									#19
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Just to show you it is a beta version

Attachment: ronaldo.jpg
This has been downloaded 80 time(s).

	01-03-2003 05:14									#20
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But do notice the windowed mode

Game took (1 league) about 100MB, I'll include a pic for all you whizkids

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	02-03-2003 19:35									#21
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Wow, how brave of you to take on Man United, that's a challeng....

I like the scout report in the first pic, damn right he is!

	02-03-2003 19:55									#22
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Hey, first game alright!!!

Besides the demo only runs until januari (in-game yes )
So there real point in trying to change a complete team, now is there , or go for lower-league challenge.

Any serious questions?

	02-03-2003 20:11									#23
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Hey, I know how the CM-demos work but I'm not the kind of guy that lets reality stand in the way when I want to troll someone.

	02-03-2003 20:55									#24
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Have you tried it yet?

	02-03-2003 21:38									#25
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Nah, my computer can't handle it (for some reason it can't handle the old ones either, it keeps corrupting the save files ) as it's getting quite old. I'm planning to buy a new one just to be able to play CM 4.

Meanwhile I would like some information. I've always liked youth development, how is it with the reservs and such now? I've seen both reserves and a U19 team on some screenshot... Does it seem like there's greater opportunity to get and foster young talents in the new game?

	02-03-2003 22:07									#26
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I didn't really check that out, but I think you can even manage the -U19- team

Make sure to have a decent processor, the final version will be optimised, but even then a 1Gig is advisable IMO(if not a minimum).
(for playing for multiple leagues, I would say to get a 2Gig )

(your video card has to be able to do +1024*768 or windowed mode will not function.
Mine's a Geforce 1 sdr, so a any new will be better then this.
Do yourself a favour though and don't buy any of that Geforce 2 or 4 MMX crap. They are outdated before you buy them)

	02-03-2003 22:43									#27
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Ugh just spent and hour an half downloading it and it crashes on the first continue Aparently a problem with k6-2 cpus, under the minimum i know, but it shouldnt crash still. (even though its a beta ) Bah gonna end up having to upgrade for one game.

	03-03-2003 01:19									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Sten Sture You guys play footie down there in Brasil??

Yeah, and we're not that bad...

quote: Originally posted by Sten Sture Alex I think you will be plesantly surprised to find an extensive Brasilian database in CM.

Aha, cool!

quote: Originally posted by Sten Sture Who do you support by the way? The Fox network carries one Brasilian game a week up here in the States United.

I'm a proud São Paulo FC fan. The wonderful "Tricolor Paulista", twice champions of the world!

	03-03-2003 01:22									#29
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One of our supporters:

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	03-03-2003 01:24									#30
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quote: You guys play footie down there in Brasil??

Of cource they don't play football in the country with the most number of world cup titles!