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Apparent suicide believed linked to drop in ratings

ELAINE GANLEY
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PARIS—Like many a great artist, Bernard Loiseau was a fragile and sometimes tortured soul, a perfectionist tending to one of France's greatest passions: food.

Loiseau's apparent suicide Monday shocked France, plunged the gastronomic world into mourning and raised a storm of condemnation from fellow culinary masters, who blamed all-powerful food critics for pushing the celebrated chef toward despair.

But Loiseau was also facing falling profits and exhaustion, his associates said.

Francois Simon, food critic at Le Figaro and the journalist who had been hardest on Loiseau, wrote earlier this year that Loiseau was in danger of losing his third Michelin star, an event that would be financially catastrophic.

Paul Bocuse, France's most famous chef, was quick to point the finger at the country's restaurant guides, whose ratings can make or break a culinary establishment — particularly one in an out-of-the-way corner of the country like Loiseau's Hotel de la Cote d'Or.

Bocuse said Loiseau had been distraught over downgrade by the influential Gault-Millau restaurant guide when the two men spoke Sunday. Bocuse likened the country's culinary critics to court eunuchs, who "understand how it's done, but can't do it."

Loiseau, 52, was found dead in the bedroom of his home in Saulieu, near his three-star restaurant in the Burgundy region southeast of Paris. A rifle was at his side.

Prosecutor Jean-Pierre Alacchi said suicide was "very probably" the cause of death, to be determined in an autopsy.

"All these people, all these exceptional beings who give you the impression of so much assurance, they are all very fragile, they all have such strong moments of doubt," said Loiseau's wife Dominique.

The energetic Loiseau was a pioneer inside and outside the kitchen. He was among the first chefs to promote "nouvelle cuisine," thick, creamy sauces and cooking various ingredients, like vegetables, separately to maximize their flavour.

Loiseau, who had three children, also became an entrepreneur, with a line of frozen foods, a boutique near his restaurant and three eateries in Paris. He published numerous books and appeared on television.

Loiseau is the only French chef whose culinary empire is traded on the stock exchange, where shares were suspended yesterday until further notice.

Amid it all, Loiseau managed to maintain his restaurant's top three-star rating, first awarded in 1991 by the benchmark Michelin Red Guide. But the Red Guide said it was forced to issue a statement Feb. 7 to stop "all the rumours" that Loiseau could be losing a prized star.

Loiseau did lose two points, going from 19 to 17, in the 20-point rating system of the Gault-Millau. Other chefs castigated the rating system of which they all are captive.

"He said, `If I lose a star, I'll kill myself,'" said another three-star chef, Jacques Lameloise.

The director of the Gault-Millau said it was unthinkable that removing two points could have pushed Loiseau over the edge.

"Bernard Loiseau, this great French chef, certainly had other problems," Patrick Moyenobe said on LCI television.

There is no equivalent here in Canada to the kind of pressure put on European chefs gunning to earn, or maintain, Michelin stars or Gault-Millau points.

"Over there they have restaurants in castles and look for prestige, the best silverware, the best glasses, hand-made plates," French-born Toronto chef Didier Leroy told the Star's Jennifer Bain. "But here the chefs don't really care much about that. They are not at that level yet, so we don't have to worry about this happening here."


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He must have been a bit mad in the 1st place.

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Not really. I think this sums it up:

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Like many a great artist, Bernard Loiseau was a fragile and sometimes tortured soul, a perfectionist tending to one of France's greatest passions: food.


If he'd lost a star it would have destroyed his business. Think about how many farmers here committed suicide when their farms were going out of business because of foot and mouth.

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He was clearly a mad ponce, he cooked food for gods sake. If he had lost a star it wouldn't have made it a bad restaurant.

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I always complain to my wife about the food she cooks, but she never thought about suicide because of this. But I'm usually spanked for saying those things to her.

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Hot damn, now if we could recruit some French politis critics, we would be in great shape.

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"Mon Dieu!! My speeech , eet has only got 3 stars!!"

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Millions and Millions of US employees face annual reviews. The rating they receive impacts their financial status. Many of these people doing the reviews are not qualified to do them. Why is this clown special? He's the one that killed himself. He's the one to blame.

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The USA employee wackos are little different than the French weenie breed, they do not shoot theselves, they shoot their bosses.

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Millions and Millions of US employees face annual reviews. The rating they receive impacts their financial status. Many of these people doing the reviews are not qualified to do them. Why is this clown special? He's the one that killed himself. He's the one to blame.


TO be fair millions of ordinary French workers face reviews as well and don't kill themselves

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this seems like a stereptypical melodramatic french action.

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TO be fair millions of ordinary French workers face reviews as well and don't kill themselves

Since when do 'fair' and "the French' go in the same sentance?

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I just meant that 99.9% of the worlds popualtion not just americans get reviewd and don't top themselves

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Point taken. I just used the US as an example because I'm more familiar with the process here. You never know if annual reviews effect salary in EVERY country, for all I know it's different in China or other non-capitalistic countries. But in general I assume you're are correct.

RAH

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Point taken. I just used the US as an example because I'm more familiar with the process here. You never know if annual reviews effect salary in EVERY country, for all I know it's different in China or other non-capitalistic countries. But in general I assume you're are correct.

RAH


Fair enough, I guess the Chinese review you on your ability to quote Mao or something

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so you do it on purpose?


I forget that I should not say it at all, because I was used to tell it to my mother but she did not beat me because of that... But I solved this problem not going home for lunch anymore.

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He was clearly a mad ponce, he cooked food for gods sake. If he had lost a star it wouldn't have made it a bad restaurant.


No, it'd have been the same restaurant, just financially devastated.

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Just how much would the devastation be. I decide if I'm going to repeat visit a resturant by my last few experiences. A review would only come into play when deciding if I should go to a rest. that I hadn't been to before, and opinions by friends would weigh as more important. So unless this place is a tourist trap, I doubt a rating decrease would have THAT MUCH impact. And who knows, the increased publicity might even drive more business from people that knew it might be wrong.

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Cooking was his life. Losing a star is like losing a limb. Some people can't cope with that.

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Then I can repeat. "He's to blame", not the media.

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This is sad.
May he master his cooking skills in the next life.

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"Just how much would the devastation be. I decide if I'm going to repeat visit a resturant by my last few experiences. "
We're talking the top restaraunts in the world, Rah - not applebees...
The quality and preparation of food is so much more to the French than it is to us; don't think it's really fair to compare the two cultures.

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I've eaten at many supposed "world class" resturants. Most were overrated, (usually the French ones). Personal experience, or recommendations from friends, is always the preferred method. Just because the experience costs upwards to a grand, doesn't make it a good resturant.

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I have eaten in several top-class restaurants. Never twice in each. I don't know what your budget is, RAH, but if you can come back to a top-notch and top price restaurant several times (i.e according to your past experience), you are very well off
Generally speaking, the bulk of their clients are one time clients who are looking for the best of the best (tourists, food-fanatics, or people celebrating a very special occasion)

Yes, it was his fault for shooting himself, and I suppose the Gault-Millaut had good reasons to rate him 17 rather than previous 19. He was rumored to be on the downward slope for some years now anyways.
However, you should not underestimate the impact of these food guides in the business of high-quality restaurants. Going to a 300 € restaurant is not the same as going to Tino's pizzeria because you liked it the previous week.

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That's my point. If I'm spending big bucks on a meal, I'm not going to rely on what a reviewer says. I can never be sure what their motivation was. Heck a buddy of mine rated golf courses for a major sports magazine. He's shows up at the resort with some friends, and is treated like a king and sometimes women were included in the treatment. And the next week, surprise surprise, the resort would be written up as a 5 star golf resort. GIVE ME A BREAK. While most reviews may be legit, a considerable number are not. It's impossible to know in advance if a review was influenced. Heck, when I worked for a motor club, our ratings of hotels, resorts and resturants were based somewhat on how much business they were doing with us.

SO, I repeat, the more I'm going to spend on a meal, the more important that the decision is made based on previous experience or recommendation from a friend that I respect.

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I understand your point, but when you're tempted by a rumored excellent restaurant (expensive as hell as well), where you or your friends never, went, on what will you judge if it's worth it or not ?

Many clients of top-notch restaurants are in this situation, and have to rely on sources from the milieu; guides being the most important ones.

Edit : BTW, I highly doubt restaurant reviewing by the 2 big guides have anything in common with the experiences you cited. These guides take all their profits from their sales (1 new edition per year), and are very structurated. They held their reputation and seriousness very dear, because their sales -their money- are dependant from the percieved honesty in the public.
Granted, I never worked for such a guide, but they are alledged to instruct their reviewers to act the most "client-like" as possible, and not to be detected as reviewers by the restaurants. In these very organized guides, one could easily get fired if he gives too high marks to a restaurant which provided him special attention like those who cited.
So far, no major scandal has stained these 2 guides, even though such a scnadal would sell many newspapers. I guess their notation for restaurants is almost always honest, especially for the biggest ones in the house.

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But what if the reviewer has an ax to grind? It could never be proven. I'm not saying saying they are not honest, I just don't put a lot of faith in them. The only thing I look for is the difference between the top and bottom rating, (for hotel's only) so I don't end up in any fleabag places. If a place is listed 5 stars, (or the equivalent top rating) even if they're spoofing, it's at least no worse than an average one.

As for your first example, I just wait for a client to ask me out and then if the food/service sucks, it didn't cost me anything. I go to a lot of excellent resturants, I never said I paid all the time.

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As for your first example, I just wait for a client to ask me out and then if the food/service sucks, it didn't cost me anything. I go to a lot of excellent resturants, I never said I paid all the time.
That's a good method It never occured to me

 
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