01-03-2003 10:38									#1
	Moo3: It's like... Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

planning a major ww2 offensive over and over and over again lol way TOO TOO much details The ground forces even have organizational structures going close to an army order of battle lol crazy stuff.

BUT I still like it I just feel they just put way TOO much details and things into the game.. its hard to play really requiring many, many hours, even AFTER you learn the interface and you THINK you know what you are doing, to REALLY learn the game. I guess they werent kidding about that 5th x eh? 5th X = you getting buried in the details

	01-03-2003 13:00									#2
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quote: I guess they werent kidding about that 5th x eh? 5th X = you getting buried in the details

Maybe the fifth 'x' is really eXcavate, as in "eXcavate from under the mountain of detail we're going to bury you in."

Still, I think its growing on me. I really WANT to like it.

-Xelvonar

	01-03-2003 20:10									#3
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This is interesting. I have seen this in dozens of threads.

We WANT to like it?

This is entertainment folks! Why should we have to FIGHT to LIKE something?

Maybe there is a syndrome for all of us who are still kicking around WANTING to like something distasteful....

K

	01-03-2003 20:29									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Kromwel This is entertainment folks! Why should we have to FIGHT to LIKE something?

Suppose you are married. Will you get a divorce at the first sight of trouble, or will you try to like your spouse first?

I assume for some, it's a similar thing with Moo3. Although I've never been married and I also am not trying to like Moo3, so admittedly I am just guessing here...

	01-03-2003 21:53									#5
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quote: I guess they werent kidding about that 5th x eh? 5th X = you getting buried in the details

you obviously didn't do much research before you bought the game. Right from the start there was talk of spreadsheets and lots and lots of details.

	02-03-2003 00:04									#6
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The details aren't overwhelming me, though some could stand to be better documentated. Of course, I also enjoyed Stars! 2 thorougly, when all that game was pretty much numbers.

	02-03-2003 06:40									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Kromwel This is interesting. I have seen this in dozens of threads. We WANT to like it? This is entertainment folks! Why should we have to FIGHT to LIKE something?

Yeah, that's why no one takes up martial arts, chess or rock climbing as a hobby.

	02-03-2003 07:57									#8
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I miss your point?

Are you implying that martial arts, chess and rock climbing are not fun? But they are! From the moment you begin to the moment you end there are rewards, failures, good and bad feelings.

But you never say, "I really wish I liked chess. I WANT to like it." and keep playing. You simply like it and continue, or you don't like it and you stop. Simple.

Once I hit this idea, I asked myself if it was the name recognition that makes me want to play MOO3, and the answer is yes.

The gameplay is not up to the name recognition in this customer's eyes. And the implication that I am somehow "not smart enough" to understand/enjoy it says quite a bit about the insecurities of those defending the game and of the developers who thinly veil their superiority complex when speaking about those who are confused or lost in the inpenetrable interface.

K

	02-03-2003 08:12									#9
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I am a chessmaster and used to compete in international and national tournaments. In my opinion, Moo3 is big pain in my rear and I have retired it from my schedule in favor of galciv.

Quicksilver got way over their heads on this one. They missed the point of making this as a fun game and with prupose. They mucked it up pretty good. Last time I am purchasing any games from quicksilver.

	02-03-2003 16:59									#10
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The details really kill the game. A game that focuses on macromanagement should not have the details that MOO3 does. They are not needed. They only make people want to play with them.

The game lost its focus. It is a micromanagement game that uses macromanagement tools. I saw a post on the IG forums that linked to some old screenshots. Looking back at those old screenshots and it sorta makes sence. The game WAS more indepth and the details did make sence. But when it came time to release, alot of stuff was ripped out. Some of those screenshots shows exactly what people have been saying they wanted. Yet someone decided that it was too much and needed to be dumbed down. Now you get posts telling you how to play in order to enjoy the game which basically says, just watch the game, don't try to mess with the rich details we have here. They're just details. Click that turn button and let the AI do your work for you.

	02-03-2003 23:09									#11
	Full PM-box? Change here!

When someone says "I really want to like this game", this seems to be a contradiction (if the game isn't fun, and you have to force yourself to try and like it, then what's the point?), but I'd guess that these people want to like the game because they can feel that there is a great game hidden behind all those menus and tabs and drop-down boxes. Mind you, I don't have the game, so I would not be able to tell you if they're right or not...

	03-03-2003 00:10									#12
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Well, maybe this will help yas!

http://apolyton.net/moo3/preview/part6_day.php

	03-03-2003 01:23									#13
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Well I think overall it's a good game. It's just that you have to actually study it for a while before you can understand it to any great degree. It's def. not like most other games. Oh... and the battle graphics.. ugh.... if those were good I would LOVE the game. If the control options and graphics were better for combats it would suck me in a lot more

	03-03-2003 01:48									#14
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It's like going to a dance and finding no girls there. I mean the music is fun and the mood is nice, but there isn't really anything to do.

After the planning stage there's nothing really to do except move ships around. This could be fun if the enemy AI actually decides to invade at some point.

	03-03-2003 02:59									#15
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Pulling teeth to get the laughing gas only to realize it just puts you to sleep anyways.