02-03-2003 13:01									#1
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someone had to make the poll. Might as well be me. Don't think I haven't thought of it. Why give New Demo the satisfaction when we can do it ourselves. We can do it now if they have no garrison.

	02-03-2003 13:04									#2
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we can use that 75 gold we gave GS as hush money to keep their mouths shut about what we did. We don't want to be known as deal breakers.

Of course trip would be pissed and would tell everyone what we did. But I'm tempted

	02-03-2003 14:25									#3
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Oh, the power. The POWER.

Nah. Not yet.

	02-03-2003 15:17									#4
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hmm

I think that trip might be trying to get GS to turn on us

he has been talking to them a lot

Jon Miller

	02-03-2003 15:22									#5
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in truth, I would not blame him

and if GS decides to betray us, now would be the best time

the only thing is, if Trip gets them to go against us, they will jsut wipe out trip at the same time

he rally shouldn't have any room to argue, we shou dhav ea strong alliance here and he shouldn't have anyone to play off eachinther

IO am probably readding to much into Trip talking to nathan today (Wwho was looking for me)

I am tired ignore this all

Jon Miller

	02-03-2003 22:22									#6
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Ah, no. Not at this time - after all, we still don't even have our immortals!

	02-03-2003 22:34									#7
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I voted in this poll before I read the diplomatic threads...I can now see that Lux (Trip) is starting to become a pain. If Lux doesn't come around, maybe it is in everybody's best interest to put Lux out of their misery and move on.

	03-03-2003 00:20									#8
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You will see Nathan's letter in the correspondence file. This is ending up great for GS. We are going to be out another 40 gold. GS will have galleys some 10 turns before us. And I'm not sure we can count on Trip to come through with the future techs. He has proved more than slippery.

Maybe I'm just 'down' about all this. Somehow I thought that rescuing a civ from extinction would be more emotionally and financially rewarding. This is just a pain in the butt. We should have taken their 150 gold and said sayonara.

There - I'm finished my rant. And I still can't decide if we should put them out of their misery. We need a pretty good discussion about this.

Also - GS is taken a lonnnggg time to play their turn. Makes me wonder what's up.

	03-03-2003 12:31									#9
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I say take them.

	03-03-2003 18:55									#10
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quote: Originally posted by BetaHound You will see Nathan's letter in the correspondence file. This is ending up great for GS. We are going to be out another 40 gold. GS will have galleys some 10 turns before us. And I'm not sure we can count on Trip to come through with the future techs. He has proved more than slippery. Maybe I'm just 'down' about all this. Somehow I thought that rescuing a civ from extinction would be more emotionally and financially rewarding. This is just a pain in the butt. We should have taken their 150 gold and said sayonara. There - I'm finished my rant. And I still can't decide if we should put them out of their misery. We need a pretty good discussion about this. Also - GS is taken a lonnnggg time to play their turn. Makes me wonder what's up.

same here

let's take Lux out

Jon Miller

	03-03-2003 19:04									#11
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Yes, I agree.

	03-03-2003 23:05									#12
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I was thinking diplomatically it might hurt us.

But we can just say the teams like New Demo they did the same thing to us they did to them. and we will get sympathy from them.

GS might not see it that way though. Because they know all the facts. somethign to consider.

	03-03-2003 23:08									#13
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Then again - it might be useful for GS to know that if we have to make a tough decision and use force, we will. Not to say that we could take them, but it does show that we will not be taken for patsies.

	03-03-2003 23:19									#14
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I'm not sure when the turn comes. But you should consider attacking them before they get a garrison.

They may already have one. Can't they pop rush someone in?

In any case we should try to work this out diplomatically I suppose. That would be the PC way. But wait, I'm american . I say shoot first, then do diplomacy later

	03-03-2003 23:24									#15
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Yes - good point about the garrison. I was wondering the same thing myself - although with the GS conditions, they are not suppose to garrison the city. And to think two turns ago we were willing to fight to save them.

Last turn they still did not have a garrison.

What is PC?

(Progressive Conservative??)

	04-03-2003 03:00									#16
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I voted no. We have an agreement and the agreement says we will not attack each other. I can not make a case saying that Lux has violated the agreement so I don't think we should either.

	04-03-2003 06:18									#17
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Harry. You make a compelling point.

May I refer everyone to the F/A discssion thread for my summary of my chat with Trip. Please comment there. No need for a poll - we can just tally the comments and votes as they come in there.

	04-03-2003 07:59									#18
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After reading the latest FA discussion, my vote is back to not ending their misery...for now.

	04-03-2003 13:54									#19
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I suppose we can wait a turn.

Also yes we do have an agreement. And Trip would probably come on the boards saying we broke that agreement. But like I said we would probably get sympathy from teams like New Demo, but not Legoland and such.