02-03-2003 13:04									#1
	New Orion wierdness Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

There are 2 things that are kind of wierd to me:

1) Senate elections for president: I can click a check box to say whom I vote for, but there is absolutely zero feedback letting me know if my vote was counted or not: in fact, the check box blanks if I click out of there to look at diplomacy or anything else. Since I live in the US, I think people can understand that I'm rather sensitive about making sure that my vote is actually counted

2) I cannot seem to, for the life of me, manage a ground invasion of the Orion system. I can invade damn near every other system, but not Orion. I can glass Orion planets with my Leviathan planet destroyers, but I cannot invade. Period. Ever. I spent about 50 turns hovering over Orion with loads of transport tf's (fully loaded, at that) - in fact, one of my colony ships went there and colonized an empty world - but no dice. I tried every permutation of assault, defense, blockade, etc, but NOTHING did *anything* other than kill the 1 or 2 ships the NO's had. I had a strength of 100+ (about half of that in fully loaded troop ships) and they had a strength of 2. WHY can't I attack em? Is that hard coded? Is there something I'm missing? I even went so far as to recruit about 50 military spies to go in and cause trouble, just in case there was some kind of defensive structure, but no... nothing. What am I missing?

3) Do the NO's *ever* respond to diplomatic actions? Do they ever do anything? Ever? Even a little bit? I've never had them send me a single message - even when I had a huge fleet hanging over their home worlds. I've only seen them do anything offensive 1 time - and that was to just send out a small fleet to ... uh... get destroyed. Are the NO's not supposed to be anything more than just these guys who chill out in the center of the galaxy, drinking beer and being president of the senate? I was all ready to be freaked out when I found myself starting 2 hops away from Orion in my first game, but they just sit there.

4) I did see them vote, once, and that was a Yea vote to condemn themselves. Seriously. The Silicoids got into a fight with them, and proposed a condemnation bill, and I figured "What the hell, they won't do anything" and seconded it - and the NO's voted yea. Maybe they have a sense of humor? I wonder what would happen if they voted "yea" on total war and senate expulsion against themselves.

Anyway, fun fun fun, but I'd really love to know why the above things happen (or don't, as the case may be).

	02-03-2003 14:28									#2
	Put an end to popups!

After that, how can my humble reply say much more? Those deaf/mute Orions, they never gave me a peep. I laughed my socks off at the vote you related just now.
I did not try an invasion of them yet..I got voted President just after I attacked them.

I am hoping that these (and other issues) will be clarified by simply sending out a patch. However, from all of what I am seeing, it might be one mighty heck of a download for us 56 k'ers.

(Hope the developers do not need psychiatric therapy after they get a load of all the feedback.)

	02-03-2003 19:38									#3
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

I tried to have diplo contact with the Orions but they refuse to answer any messages.... You'd think that once other Empires were rivaling yours that you's quit maintaining the facade of superiority...

	02-03-2003 21:37									#4
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Maybe the new orions have a higher sense of purpose when it comes to senate matters and realize they did wrong as a member? heh I dont know, pretty funny though

	02-03-2003 22:11									#5
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In one game I played they were losing the senate vote. I voted for them so I wouldn't lose. My Relations were at 195. It only lasted 1 turn. Some other race won the presidency. I have condemned them before. They did nothing. The only thing they will do is kill any ship that tries to cross Orion. In another game I was at war with another race that was on the other side of Orion. It wasn't much of a war becasue it took my fleets 50 turns to get around that deathtrap. I've also seen the New Orions go to war with another race. They were sending ships all across the galaxy killing those evil Eoladi.

	02-03-2003 22:37									#6
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As far as invading goes, is there a fleet of any race in the system? You can't invade any system if there is another fleet around.

	02-03-2003 22:58									#7
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No ships of any kind other than my armadas and troop detatchments. In cases where the NO's had 0 defense (no ships, no planetary defenses, etc.) I still couldn't actually perform a ground assault.

Maybe my guys are scared? They've grown up hearing stories about the NO's.... Of course, by the time I feel froggy enough to jump on Orion, I'm about 10-20 Tech Levels ahead of them...

Funny senate win game: I didn't even know I was in the senate until it told me I could vote for myself for president.

	03-03-2003 00:25									#8
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I just invaded the bastards in my last game, got 2 of their planets and bombed the hell out of the other one. Your problem could be that you have too many TFs over Orion. Since you can only attack a system with 8 TFs (or 10, i don't remember) at a time and the game chooses randomly the 8 TFs from the available TFs, you don't get the transporters picked for the assault wave.

	03-03-2003 13:58									#9
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Defeating the Orion defences was the biggest laugh I've had so far. I had so many fighters on the screen that MOO was stuttering badly even on a 2Ghz machine. Hundreds of solid blue shield hits for minutes before the orbitals blew.

Once the defences were down invading was no problem invading the first world. After that any time the NO's could muaster a fleet their attack orders had priority over mine and I had to wait for a turn when they had no incoming ships. In order to get maximum number of troops to drop in those windows I had all Transport TF's with warships as their part of their escorts.

	03-03-2003 14:22									#10
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I've seen the Humans vote against the Praise humans bill I started

But, then again, I stopped to consider that a "Praise" bill actually does... it makes all of your relations with every other player in the senate go up by 10 points each. A condemnation bill lowers your relations with all senate members by 10 points each.

So I guess the Humans just didn't feel inclined to get along with everyone

Same with the NOs in the example above... I guess they just would rather that everyone hate them... they certainly know it's already true

Oh well... I suppose we can add this to the bugs/suggestion list.