02-03-2003 21:27									#1
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According to the NYTimes, US airstrikes are becomming increasingly frequent on Iraq, focused on disabling the country's air defences, usually have been intended to enforce the no-flight zones over southern and northern Iraq and to make it easier for the United States to achieve air superiority in the event of war.

According to other news (TV, don't remember which station), US Special Ops teams area already operating inside Iraq doing surveilance and who knows what else.

	02-03-2003 21:40									#2
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Well, yeah.

	02-03-2003 21:56									#3
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Good show. It means that we will not have to kill as many people overall, especially once the real fighting starts.

	02-03-2003 22:20									#4
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara According to the NYTimes, US airstrikes are becomming increasingly frequent on Iraq, focused on disabling the country's air defences, usually have been intended to enforce the no-flight zones over southern and northern Iraq and to make it easier for the United States to achieve air superiority in the event of war. According to other news (TV, don't remember which station), US Special Ops teams area already operating inside Iraq doing surveilance and who knows what else.

SOCOM forces were deployed inside Iraq and Kuwait well before the last Gulf War began. Their original missions will be to conduct live surveillance and to emplace passive sensors, etc., to detect significant Iraqi troop movements.

They wouldn't be engaged in direct action missions at this time.

Airstrikes on Iraqi air defenses in the NFZ's have been mostly pinpricks historically, but air supremacy (not superiority) will be achieved within 72 hours, regardless. They just suck, and we don't.

	03-03-2003 01:59									#5
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I would have been astonished if there were not spec-ops groups already in Iraq.

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You're just now figuring this out chegitz?

	03-03-2003 02:25									#7
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OOC, what is the difference between air superiority and supremacy?

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Whoah a rare appearance by Giant Squid.

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quote: Originally posted by Giant_Squid OOC, what is the difference between air superiority and supremacy?

Air superiority means that you have a significant overall advantage in the theater of operations, with the general ability to conduct operations as you please a majority of the time.

This means that on occasion, the enemy can still contest airspace, at least for limited durations in limited areas, and that you run a risk with certain types of air movements (unarmed transports and helos, etc.)

Air supremacy means you own the skies, and can do just about anything, anywhere, any time, all the time, with only minimal hazards from smallarms ground fire or very light, portable AAA MG's or shoulder launched SAMs. With air supremacy, the enemy has no capability of mounting any large scale resistance to your air operations, and no ability at all to conduct his own air operations.

	03-03-2003 03:04									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Giant_Squid OOC, what is the difference between air superiority and supremacy?

Air superiority is when enemy airplanes could do some missions, but can't drive you out of the sky. So you'd severaly but not entirely destroyed their defense.

Air supremacy is when your transport planes are flying over enemy teritory carrying bombs and theirs pilots are waving hands down "Yay Yay you can't hit me". And some soldiers on the ground with some IR missiles "Are you definitely sure?"

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When you have air supremacy, a conventional style war has already been won.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara According to the NYTimes, US airstrikes are becomming increasingly frequent on Iraq, focused on disabling the country's air defences, usually have been intended to enforce the no-flight zones over southern and northern Iraq and to make it easier for the United States to achieve air superiority in the event of war. According to other news (TV, don't remember which station), US Special Ops teams area already operating inside Iraq doing surveilance and who knows what else.

So your point is, that starting should be delayed until...when?

	03-03-2003 04:32									#13
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In 1944 some General described air supremacy: "The birds had better be wearing Allied insignia."

	03-03-2003 04:37									#14
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There have been US troops on the ground in Iraq for a couple of months or more. We are well established in the north where the Kurds have driven off the Iraqis and set up what is basicly an autonomous region. This is what concerned the Turks so much, and no doubt the Iranians as well, though we don't hear so much about it.

At least this is my understanding of the situation.

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wake me up when we get to the good stuff

	03-03-2003 12:48									#16
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I saw an article in the paper today that said Iraq was moving many of the missles the U.N. has ordered destroyed (I forgot what their called) right up against the Kuwaiti border. The idea being that Saddam could launch them at Kuwait and then retreat back to cities where they'll try to engage in urban warfare against the Americans.

Kuwait has been asking the U.S. to do something about the missiles so reportedly the U.S. has expanded their targets list for planes patroling the no fly zones. Instead of just AA, SAMs, & radar they will now fire at any offensively placed weapons that can fire at coalition countries (read Kuwait).