03-03-2003 09:59									#1
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To be edited by the leaders of the Scholia.

Status:
- Research idling at 0% investment (technically on Philosophy).
- 178 gold cash, about +25 per turn.

Urgent questions:
- Still haven't made a final decision on the deal with Lux and Vox.
- Need to discuss what kind of offer ND would have to make for CoL for us to accept it. (*done; (alva)

Military:


Economy:
- Rearrange EotS and Hurricane laborers so EotS finishes its worker next turn without taking any more irrigated furs from Hurricane than necessary and without compromising its two-turn growth rate. (I can't get more precise because I'm not sure which city's new laborer got the irrigated fur this turn.)
- Worker near Hurricane finishes road, moves 2 (to improve a tile for Tornado).
- Bolderberg laborer on unimproved grassland moves to horse tile in anticipation of irrigation being finished at the end of this turn.

Diplomacy:
Waiting for GoW, RP, and possibly ND to send back their offers for Code of Laws. Expecting Literature from RP and 100 gold from GoW; if the offers are as expected, accept them. The team will have to discuss any offer from ND.
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* ND has accepted a 5 gpt deal for CoL (alva)

Last edited by alva on 05-03-2003 at 14:52

	03-03-2003 23:35									#2
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HotE responded with apologies, as well as acceptance (he will inform GF to send the money). I did not recieve a clarification regarding the NWA, but since i already offered him that, i don't want to withdraw it just like that, if you want, i can ask him to clarify things up "in the name of the team".
You want me to?

	05-03-2003 12:28									#3
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I opened the 1400 BC save and the first thing that came up was an offer from ND of five gold per turn for Code of Laws. We need to decide whether or not to accept it, which means I won't be playing the turn right now after all. Personally, I'm inclined to accept considering what all else we're getting for Code of Laws (and the risk that someone else might sell it to them instead).

	05-03-2003 12:57									#4
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Message from ND:

They are willing to give 5GP for Col.

Shall I except or try for more?

	05-03-2003 13:07									#5
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I think 5gpt is a good deal for CoL. They could easily get if from somewhere else if we haggle too long, and 100 gold over 20 turns should help us improve our own rate of research without running a deficit.

	05-03-2003 13:12									#6
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I'd say go for it. 5gpt will help to compensate our upkeep and leave the slider at 100%, while researching Republic, without losing money.

EDIT: The earliest time I can play the turn is in about 9 hours from now on. It wouldn't matter, because we still have over six green hours ahead.

	05-03-2003 13:25									#8
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I agree, 5gpt is a good deal.

	05-03-2003 13:35									#9
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I think we have enough of a consensus for me to accept the deal and go on playing the turn.

	05-03-2003 13:38									#10
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Deals with GoW and RP went as expected. We now have Literature and (for the moment) 283 gold in our vault.

	05-03-2003 13:43									#11
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quote: Originally posted by nbarclay Deals with GoW and RP went as expected. We now have Literature and (for the moment) 283 gold in our vault.

How long has literature been out on the continent? Anyone building the GL yet? Will the GL be built at all? I'm thinking probably not, unless someone gets a leader. I just don't see there being sustained peace on that continent for very long. And since there is roughly tech parity, not much to be gained by it before education anyways, IMho. Will there be any wonders bulit naturally in the entire game? Maybe only lego if they are building pyramids or colossus.

	05-03-2003 13:45									#12
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Score information:

116 (+2) Gathering Storm
123 (+2) Demogyptica
103 (+2) Glory of War
130 (+2) Role Play
90 (+2) Vox Controli
69 (-1) Lux Invicta
137 (+2) Legoland

	05-03-2003 13:49									#13
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F7 still comes up blank, so if anyone but Lego is working on a wonder, they're masking it with a prebuild.

Keep in mind that we're working toward building a wonder "naturally" in Hurricane, so there should be at least one wonder a leader isn't responsible for outside Legoland.

	05-03-2003 13:50									#14
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Our military advisor characterizes us as weak compared with the teams on Bob but strong compared with those on our continent.

	05-03-2003 14:08									#15
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By the way, Lux just built the worker they promised to have improve the land around Portia and then give Vox when Vox reoccupies the place. His location is "6" from the city.

	05-03-2003 14:14									#16
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5 gpt for CoL? more then I expected... after the 2 deals for CoL, I would have agreed with 3 gpt

Please send a message to ND, thanking them for their business, and start negotiating on the next tech. It takes a while with these guys, so better be prepared.

Our treasury is overflowing, I never thought we were going to get this kind of pot of gold stashed away this early.

As to literature / GL: It's hard, but doable for a Bob civ to build the GL, but 1400 BC would be extremely early. We can assume that none are half way prebuilding it, because ND and GoW don't have any cities to spare, and a large military to keep. RP OTOH could very well have started on it (frankly, I would have done it if I were them), but I doubt they did it before, they are keeping up with our settlerpump, so none of their cities is on a wonder or only started quite recently on it)

DeepO

	05-03-2003 14:24									#17
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Thanks mostly to growth in EotS and Hurricane (and possibly to settler-building by one or more rivals), we are now 2 ahead of second place in Mfg. Goods, 4 ahead of second in GNP, and 11 ahead of second in productivity. This is how things should be!

	05-03-2003 14:27									#18
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We do NOT want to start negotiating on the next tech yet! The next thing we'll be researching is Republic. That's going to take a while, and we'll likely want to keep a duopoly (us and Vox) on it for as long as practical after we get it - at least unless multiple someones offer pretty fantastic deals.

	05-03-2003 14:32									#19
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Screenshots sent.

	05-03-2003 14:35									#20
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Good job, guys.

Now if we could just hurry up those barrackses...

	05-03-2003 14:37									#21
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How about MM? (to ND)
(I doubt we'll be able to pull it off, can't hurt, can it )

	05-03-2003 14:39									#22
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Good job, guys. Now if we could just hurry up those barrackses...

In case you've missed it, we already have the one in Bolderberg done. Next turn one of our workers starts mining an extra tile for Tornado to work when it grows to try to get its barracks done faster. In other words, we're definitely working on it.

	05-03-2003 14:43									#23
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Only 2?

	05-03-2003 14:47									#24
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Unless we change things, Tempest is working on a third barracks (a fourth if you count Hurricane's), but that one's going to take a lot longer to finish.

	05-03-2003 14:53									#25
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Actually, I'm starting to wonder if Tempest shouldn't work on a temple and then some sort of prebuild for an aqueduct. Or maybe even start a prebuild for a marketplace now, since that could come in very handy for what will eventually be a key wonder city (both for the happiness effect if we can trade for additional luxuries and because of its gold-generating potential). I'm still hesitant about how many troops we'd build in Tempest before it needs to move on to something else, and paying upkeep on a barracks in a city that rarely builds troops is less than ideal.

Nathan

	05-03-2003 14:57									#26
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Turn sent.

	05-03-2003 15:02									#27
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Tempest could help things along with a Worker or two to mine the hills. It would be spectacular if we can build up Tempest to full production before Republic and our GA hit.

	05-03-2003 15:05									#28
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I agree with that.

	05-03-2003 15:49									#29
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I think 2 active barracks (not counting Hurricane) is enough for peace time buildup. Let's build other infrastructure or, as mentioned, workers in Tempest.

	05-03-2003 15:51									#30
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We probably need to do some reverse engineering starting from the premise that we want Tempest to finish an aqueduct shortly after Lux gets Construction (unless it starts looking like waiting for Lux would delay us unacceptably). The question is, how many workers (and what else) do we build before diverting Tempest to an aqueduct?

Nathan