03-03-2003 17:20									#1
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The chat will be held at #smacdg on the Apolyton server. As before, please try to turn up early.
And please deliver all orders asap. I just heard I have to do the turnchat. I'd like to have some time beforehand to have a good look at the orders.

	03-03-2003 17:47									#2
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Several Commissioners have said it is very hard to follow all terraforming orders exactly to the last turn. I presume I won't be able to do any better. Therefore I would like to ask the governors to make a list of the final terraformations you want on currently not-yet-fully-terraformed tiles. Please see the example below. When I have this in my hands, I perhaps won't be able to do all terraformations and the exact former movements the governors ask, but at least I won't perform wrong terraformations.
Thanks.

quote: All sea tiles: kelp farm, tidal harness (14.60) NE-NE of ShSw: road, condenser, soil enricher (12.60) N of ShSw: road, borehole (11.63) SW of ShSw: road, condenser, soil enricher (12.64) S of ShSw: road, borehole (11.67) NW of Pan: road, condenser, soil enricher (14.66) NE-NE of Pan: road, borehole (14.68) E of Pande: road, mine (19.67) SE of TeDo: road, condenser, soil enricher (22.68) E-E-S of TeDo: road, condenser, soil enricher (21.69) SE-SE-SE of TeDo: road, condenser, soil enricher (16.72), (18.70), (20.68): road, borehole (17.71), (19.69): road, condenser, soil enricher (16.74) SW of Val: road, condenser, soil enricher (10.74) NW of Con: road, condenser, soil enricher (9.75) W of Con: road, soil enricher, echelon mirror (10.76) SW of Con: road, soil enricher, solar collector (8.76) W-SW of Con: road, soil enricher, solar collector (9.77) SW-SW of Con: forest (7.75), (6.76), (7.77), (8.78): road, condenser, soil enricher

	05-03-2003 21:34									#3
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Jedinica Vrijstaat orders, MY 2264 onwards

Requests to the DIA ... that would be me, wouldn't it?

Rush requests:
Sheathed Swordian Research Hospital: 4 ec (saves 1 turn)
Any other facility (not unit) that's past 10 mins, if the price is reasonable.
Total: 4 ec + other rushes as they become reasonable and affordable.

Build queues
Please follow them exactly. All are changed.

Concordia
Centauri Preserve (currently being built)
speeder supply
as per DPO orders- Garrison - 1/3AAA/1 (Clean, AAA)
Chiroformers (rover chassis, super clean)
Sky Hydroponics Lab
speeder supply

Pandemonium
hybrid forest (currently being built)
aerospace complex
as per DPO orders- Garrison - 1/3AAA/1 (Clean, AAA)
speeder supply
Biology Lab
Sky Hydroponics Lab
speeder supply

Sheathed Sword
research hospital (currently being build, please rush those 2 mins to make it 1 turn)
fusion lab
Rover - best/1/2 (Clean)
hybrid forest
aerospace complex
centauri preserve

Terminal Dogma
hybrid forest (current project)
centauri preserve
speeder supply
as per DPO orders- Garrison - 1/3AAA/1 (Clean, AAA)
biology lab

Valhalla
fusion probe foil (current project)
fusion probe foil
Revised Formers (infantry chassis, super clean)
fusion lab
speeder supply
research hospital
speeder supply

Supply crawlers

1st Concordian supply speeder under construction
- convoy nuts from the condensor farm NW of Concordia

2nd Concordian supply speeder under construction
- just pick a good nearby square with high output in one fod, but little in others

1st Pandemonian supply speeder under construction
- convoy mins from the mine E of Pandemonium

2nd Pandemonian supply speeder under construction
- convoy nuts from the condensor farm N NE of Pandemonium

1st Terminal Dogmatic supply speeder under construction
- convoy mins from the mine W of Terminal Dogma

Both Valhallan supply speeders under construction
- They probably won't finish during the turnchat, but if so just find some good square, as the terraforming will be farther along than it is now.

Formers

Instead of giving former orders, I'll just give a list of what terraformation I would want in the end, as the list of detailed former orders would become too long now they can too double the work than before. Please tell me when you want the other order format after all. If you want me to make a picture with this list put into symbols on a map of Jedinica, I'll do so.

Updated for already done terraformations. No new terraforming orders since Maniac's last set.

note: apparently several soil enrichers were forgotten when condensor farms were being constructed, please remedy this
All sea tiles: kelp farm, tidal harness
(14.60) NE-NE of ShSw: road, condenser, soil enricher
(11.67) NW of Pan: soil enricher
(19.67) SE of TeDo: soil enricher
(22.68) E-E-S of TeDo: soil enricher
(21.69) SE-SE-SE of TeDo: road, condenser, soil enricher
(20.68) SE-SE of TeDo: road, borehole
(19.69) S-SE of TeDo: road, condenser, soil enricher
(18.70) S-S of TeDo: road, borehole
(17.71) N of Val: road, condenser, soil enricher
(16.72) NW of Val: road, borehole
(16.74) SW of Val: farm, soil enricher
(10.74) NW of Con: soil enricher
(9.75) W of Con: road, soil enricher, echelon mirror
(10.76) SW of Con: road, soil enricher, solar collector
(8.76) W-SW of Con: road, soil enricher, solar collector
(9.77) SW-SW of Con: forest
(7.75), (6.76), (7.77), (8.78): road, condenser, soil enricher

Thanks.

Last edited by Cedayon on 08-03-2003 at 22:03

	05-03-2003 21:35									#4
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Contrary to what I thought, my Spring Break doesn't start this weekend but rather the next one, so I won't be in this turnchat, but will be in the two after that.

	06-03-2003 00:47									#5
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I'll try to get my orders up tonight.

	06-03-2003 04:59									#6
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Aurillian Orders
Build Queues

UNPD
rush Fusion Lab (140 ECs)
Chiroformers
genejack factory
aerospace complex

ZG - No Changes
rush Hybrid Forest (64 ECs)
fusion lab
rec commons
chiroformers

DEM
replace chiroformers with Neural Amplifier
genejack factory
Research Hospital

Xanadu
Rush formers...30 ECs maybe?
Network Node
hybrid forest

Workers
UNPD:
-move 2 sea workers to work forests (i'll cancel the crawlers)
-work any new boreholes that are built (IMPORTANT)

DEM:
-change farm tiles to work forests
-work any new boreholes that are built (IMPORTANT)

ZG:
-change sea workers on 4-0-4 tiles to forest
-work any new boreholes that are built (IMPORTANT)

UNMI:
-turn empath into 4-0-4 worker
-WORK ONLY 4-0-4 TILES

Xanadu
-change to work new boreholes

Crawlers
9,95
-move to DeM to help with SP

10,96
-Move to DEM to help with SP (Hey, we can move along the fungus like roads now! )
MAKE SURE YOU MOVE IN WORKERS TO TAKE THEIR PLACES.

8,100
-move to DEM, rush SP
-move worker to take its place

Formers
MAKE SURE FORMERS ONLY TERRAFORM THEIR HOME BASES. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT MOVE ALL FORMERS AT OTHER BASES BACK HOME, UNLESS CURRENTLY BUSY. GOTO DOES NOT COUNT AS BUSY GT seemed to have forgotten that last time, despite the large bold text and capitol letters

note: All lists should be done in the order given

UNPD:
10,92: lower terrain, borehole
9,95: road, lower terrain, borehole
11,93: forest

ZG:
8.98: road, borehole
8,100: road
9,99: road
after this is done, ZG formers are free to join the nearest borehole project.

DEM:
6,104: borehole
6,100: road, lower terrain, lower terrain, borehole
If these tasks are complete, convert all farm tiles to forest

Xanadu:
7,111: borehole
5,109: road, borehole
after this, forest the rest of the base radius

UNLESS SPECIFIED, DO NOT SEND FORMERS TO WORK ELSEWHERE!!! THIS TAKES TIME AS I HAVE TO MOVE THEM ALL BACK TO THEIR HOME BASES.

	06-03-2003 05:05									#7
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So that's about 234ec of rushes, TKG?

	06-03-2003 05:14									#8
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yes. is that ok? if necessary i can cancel the xanadu formers

BTW, i used the war save. and if you have a problem with former orders, ask me, i'm likely to be there.

Last edited by Method on 06-03-2003 at 05:23

	06-03-2003 18:02									#9
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It sounds like a reasonable amount to me... In the likely event that 1000ec reserve wins, however, I won't be authorizing more than ~600ecs of rushes for the first turn (since we're just above 1000, and get a bit over 600 per turn) ... anything over that gets bumped to future turns.

	07-03-2003 05:04									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Cedayon It sounds like a reasonable amount to me... In the likely event that 1000ec reserve wins, however, I won't be authorizing more than ~600ecs of rushes for the first turn (since we're just above 1000, and get a bit over 600 per turn) ... anything over that gets bumped to future turns.

Though not as conservative as I’d like it to be, at least our fiscal policy is moving slightly more towards greater consideration of spending.

	07-03-2003 05:14									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Voltaire Though not as conservative as I’d like it to be, at least our fiscal policy is moving slightly more towards greater consideration of spending.

I figured that spending down to 400 at the end of the turn would be ok with a 1000ec threshold if the projected income would bring us back up to over 1000ec next turn... no real difference in the stockpile (we can't actually spend any of it between turns except in diplomatic negotiations, where we generally are very frugal), and a full turn difference in the building schedule.

(note: the above should read "I'll let them do it if the end result is the same when the next turn comes up, since I don't want them to kill me" )

	07-03-2003 12:25									#12
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Just an update on my situation - it turns out that I may be able to stay at home and run the turnchat, although in that case if Maniac wanted to run his first chat I'd happy to let him. I'll let you know when I know one way or the other.

	07-03-2003 12:34									#13
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Solaris

Build Queues
(If a queue appears, there has been a revision)

Ankh Morpork- no changes

Shangri-La- no changes

Metropolis-spdrspply/sfcruiser frmrs/
rec cmns/spdrspply/sfcrsr frmrs/treefrm

Capricorn-spdrspply/rctanks/rvsdfrmrs/netnde/spdrsply/chldrncrche

UN Aquaxenobananna-no changes

UN Slippery Ground-add chldrncrche and rccmns to end

Worker Placements

Ankh Morpork-set one empath to work on square
directly north

Shangri-La- make sure worker isn't fruitlessly working sea-fungus, rather works square directly south

Metropolis- no changes

Capricorn- worker at 22,58 becomes empath

UN Aquaxenobananna- no changes

UN Slippery Ground- no changes

Crawlers

Ankh Morpork- upon completion, crawler moves to 18,56 for minerals

Shangri-La-no changes

Metropolis-completed crawler moves to 20,58 for minerals

Capricorn-completed fusion crawler heads south to work 31,103

UN Aquaxenobananna- no changes

UN Slippery Ground- no changes

Formers

Ankh Morpork-revised former w/o orders to 17,51- begins mine
-revised former finishes soil enricher, moves to 15,53 to remove fungus

Shangri-La- former moves to 17,55, begins farm, mine, road

Metropolis- no changes

Capricorn-no changes

UN Aquaxenobananna- no changes

UN Slippery Ground- no changes

Rush/Upgrade Requests

Ankh Morpork-
request upgrade of police unit to police plasma sentinels

Shangri-La- no requests

Metropolis- no requests

Capricorn- rush rec tanks when they enter production

UN Aquaxenobannana- no requests

UN Slippery Ground- change AAA missle infantry to police plasma sentinels

General Comments

We are going to have more crawlers than worthwhile resources soon in this region. A concerted effort to terraform both northwards and on the sea is vital.

Last edited by lucky22 on 08-03-2003 at 11:10

	07-03-2003 12:38									#14
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quote: Change AAA missle infantry to Police plasma sentinels. (rush?)

Why? Police is useless under FM, and IIRC, they cost the same.

	07-03-2003 12:42									#15
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if they cost the same, don't rush or rush the offensive unit.
Edited: Orders above reflect GT's input.

Last edited by lucky22 on 08-03-2003 at 11:08

	07-03-2003 14:36									#16
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Oh, and something else, lucky - it would be a good diea to sue the same format as the other governors have when issuing their orders. It makes it much easier to put the orders together for use.

	07-03-2003 15:57									#17
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Social Engineering
No orders.

	07-03-2003 20:55									#18
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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus Oh, and something else, lucky - it would be a good diea to sue the same format as the other governors have when issuing their orders. It makes it much easier to put the orders together for use.

I understand. I've obviously got a little work to do.

Edit: Orders revised appropriately.

	07-03-2003 21:26									#19
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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus Just an update on my situation - it turns out that I may be able to stay at home and run the turnchat, although in that case if Maniac wanted to run his first chat I'd happy to let him. I'll let you know when I know one way or the other.

Why thanks. If you don't mind I would like to run it, just to have a feel how this sort of thing works. This way I, your humble assistant , can gain some experience in case I would really have to jump in for you in some unforseen circumstance.

	08-03-2003 01:11									#20
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Twin Sea Preliminary Orders MY 2264-2271

Build Queues

Crystalis (add to existing queue)
Chiroformer
Fusion Speeder Supply
Fusion Speeder Supply

Heaven’s Gate (no change)

Mysidia (add to existing queue)
Fusion Speeder Supply
Fusion Speeder Supply
Hybrid Forest
Aerospace Complex

New Suez (add to existing queue)
Fusion Speeder Supply
Fusion Speeder Supply
Hybrid Forest
Chiroformer

Transcendence Academy (add to existing queue)
Network Node
Hybrid Forest
Fusion Speeder Supply

U.N. Research Complex (no change)

Crawlers

Any newly constructed crawlers are to move to unoccupied forest locations and are to convoy minerals.

Note: If necessary (i.e. no unoccupied forest locations exist in the Twin Sea region) move supply crawlers to unoccupied forest locations outside of the Twin Sea region and convoy minerals, with the permission of the governor of the said region.

On the same note, the administration of the Twin Sea region would like to request that its fellow regions allow the Twin Sea supply crawlers permission to enter their regions and convoy minerals back to the Twin Sea. In exchange for your generous cooperation, the less developed regions would in return receive formers from the Twin Sea regions. I ask all governors to consider this request and get back to me with their input ASAP.

Formers

Move formers to squares not already containing forests, and remove fungus (if necessary), plant forests & build roads; except in rocky areas, in which case construct mines and build roads.

For sea formers, plant kelp farms and construct mining platforms to the ocean east of New Suez.

Rush Requests
Please rush ALL supply crawlers that make it to the top of the construction queue in this turn chat which require more than 2 turns to be completed, noting that the energy credit expenditures should not exceed 200 energy credits/per turn.

	08-03-2003 01:15									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Voltaire Rush Requests Please rush ALL supply crawlers that make it to the top of the construction queue in this turn chat which require more than 2 turns to be completed, noting that the energy credit expenditures should not exceed 200 energy credits/per turn.

Sounds good to me, our income can easily absorb that. I'll need to see the other orders before I decide, however. How many rushing ecs do you estimate Twin Sea needing for the first turn, Voltaire?

	08-03-2003 01:22									#22
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Voltaire, is it also allowed to let crawlers convoy minerals on a mined rocky tile instead of a forest? I believe there were one or two mines free in your region when I last checked the save.

	08-03-2003 01:25									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac Voltaire, is it also allowed to let crawlers convoy minerals on a mined rocky tile instead of a forest? I believe there were one or two mines free in your region when I last checked the save.

Oh of course, I should have stated that specifically. Pretty much convoy minerals wherever they can be found.

	08-03-2003 01:29									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Cedayon Sounds good to me, our income can easily absorb that. I'll need to see the other orders before I decide, however. How many rushing ecs do you estimate Twin Sea needing for the first turn, Voltaire?

Approximately 130 energy credits per crawler and around 5 crawlers may make it to the top of the queue, so over the entire turnchat period we’re looking at somewhere around 650 energy credits (that’s a rather liberal estimate).

	08-03-2003 06:15									#25
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The following are orders for the Centralis region. A full list of terraforming could take quite some time, and I'm not sure if I'd have it before the turn-chat (Someone IM me or something at archaiceternalxx@xxhotmail.com (Remove the x's) just before it starts please), so I'll post these now, and those later once I've had the time to do them.


Build Orders

New Apolyton
Add 3 Chiroformers (0-1-2*2, Super, Clean) to the bottom of build queue. Begin production of Sky Hydroponics Labs upon completion.

Thisbaseisbelongtous
Add 4 Chiroformers (0-1-2*2, Super, Clean) to the bottom of build queue, and an Aerospace Complex below that. Begin production of Sky Hydroponics Labs upon completion.

Tacticus Acadamy
Add 4 Chiroformers (0-1-2*2, Super, Clean) to the build queue above the Sky Hydroponics Labs.

Antioch
Add 4 Chiroformers (0-1-2*2, Super, Clean) to the bottom of build queue, and an Aerospace Complex below that. Begin production of Sky Hydroponics Labs upon completion.

Egregion
No change

Circular Quay
Add Fusion Cruiser Formers to the queue, followed by a Childrens Creche.

Additional Orders
If possible, continue production of the Chiroformers beyond 4 at Tacticus Acadamy, then those extra Chiroformers to the other bases producing same, as well as Egregion, removing 1 Chiroformer from the other base's build queue as we do so, until all bases in the region are fully equipped with 4 Chiroformers.


Worker Placement Orders

New Apolyton
None

Thisbaseisbelongtous
Worker at (13, 83) (Forest, River, Sensor, Road) to (15, 87) (Forest, Road)

Tacticus Acadamy
Worker at (7, 91) (Farm, Solar Collector, Road) to (7, 89) (Soil Enricher, Solar Collector, Road)

Antioch
Worker at (12, 82) (Forest, Road) to (13, 83) (Forest, River, Sensor, Road)
(After completion of Hybrid Forest)
As many as possible of the Workers on the 4 (Soil Enricher, Solar Collector, Road) squares in base radius to switch to the 4 (currently, though obviously not after the pop increases) spare Forest squares in base radius.

Egregion
None

Circular Quay
Next new citizen on (1, 87)


Former Orders
All formers currently in Tacticus Acadamy Base Radius
Proceed to (5, 87) after completion of current tasks, and raise terrain.

All formers at or going to (15, 83)
Complete production of Borehole as planned, then move to (13, 81) to begin construction of Borehole there.


Rush Requests
Rush all facility production in the region after its first 10 minerals.
Rush all Chiroformer production after the first turn of production, or 10 minerals, whichever comes 2nd.


Requests to the DIA:
Either upgrade all existing non-clean formers in the region to clean, or disband existing non-clean, non-Chiroformer formers at first opportunity in Centralis bases for minerals (Preferably to rush the new Chiroformers).

	08-03-2003 06:19									#26
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Akiria Orders

NT
Add Fusion Foil supply in Q
Add energy bank in Q

Twin Peaks
Hybrid Forest- rush after 3/4 years
Then Hab complex or Energy bank

Aurora
add trance supply unit
energy lab
and then wish to build Neural Amp in Aurora

Espirto del Aqua

rush Rec Com
add Hab complex in place of network node (already built)

Cyclops

Change trance plasma to Super fusion sea former
add Hab complex

Formers

Cyclops:

3 stacked formers (Cyclops) to 4,116

Former (from Aurora) Echelon Mirror

Sea former to 19, 105

others OK

	08-03-2003 07:09									#27
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Ok, I now have confirmatino that I can do the chat tommorow, although, as I said before, Manaic can do it if he likes.

	08-03-2003 07:10									#28
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Director of Peacekeeping Operations orders

Region by Region

Jedinica Vrijstaat

The spaces in the build queues left for a military unit shall be filled with

Sheathed Sword
Rover - best/1/2 (Clean)

Concordia
Garrison - 1/3AAA/1 (Clean, AAA)

Pandemonium
Garrison - 1/3AAA/1 (Clean, AAA)

Terminal Dogma
Garrison - 1/3AAA/1 (Clean, AAA)

These troops are to be relocated to Egregion to be homed here as per the plan to make Egregion a specialist base.

I do not know specifics of the timeline for this development of Egregion, so Commissioner's judgement is requested on the the timetable for relocation of the tropps to Egregion, especially since that base is currently isolated.

Aurillion


Deus Ex Machina
Attack worm with Empath rover ASAP

Akiria


New Tassagrad
Newly built Missile Interceptor to Transcendence Academy

That's basically it - I have lotsa requests to Governors that it probably won't be possible to look at until next chat, so I will make a Defence of the Nation thread giving instructions to Governors later, to hopefully be taken into account from next chat.

This is a difficult job to get into, especially now, and I am following Herc's plan as much as I can in these early stages until I get a better grip on things.

Last edited by MrWhereItsAt on 08-03-2003 at 07:32

	08-03-2003 07:12									#29
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I don't think there is a timetable yet, but I'd be happy to discuss one with Archaic.

	08-03-2003 08:25									#30
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Looks good