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Net Maverick
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I've been thinking about the effectiveness of secret projects that cause you to be totally dependent on them...for example, Citizen's Defense Force, Virtual World, and the like...ones where its effect only holds when it exists. However productive they may be, once these projects are destroyed, you will be left defenseless. For example, if you build the CDF, and an opponent captures the base, every single one of your bases would be left without a perimeter defense, and if you're pit against a veteran gamer, this would be followed by a series of events that will eventually annihilate your empire. In a case like this, it would be better to manually construct perimeters and holo-theatres in your bases. This idea reminds me of science fiction novels where characters become completely dependent on advance technology and machinery for survival, and once it's taken away from them, they would not know how to do anything, thus having their lives endangered. Anyone have thoughts on this subject?
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Net Maverick
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Vic:
That strategy might work on single player, but on multiplayer, where crafty human players are likely to have the HSA or/and probe teams of their own guarding their bases...well, to put it simply, you'll wish you had Orbital Defense Pods.
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Misotu
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Leamington Spa, England
Dec 1999
time: 05:13
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Net Maverick, you are absolutely right. Many of these projects are all very well in SP, but when you are playing against human players, it's advisable to consider which SPs you build very carefully.
I have never built the Cit Def Force in multi-player, because as you quite rightly point out, it's a prime target in war and the loss of it has terrible consequences. Apart from anything else, perimeters are cheap to build and maintenance free. I *might* build the CDF in a game where I intended to be the attacker though - it's very useful to have an instant perimeter in a newly-captured base and I'd probably think it worth the risk.
The Cloudbase is similar - I have seen people lose it in MP and the consequences are even worse. Suddenly you're vulnerable to drop attacks *anywhere* and your defence against air attack is much reduced. Gains from any satellites are halved, you can't build decent morale aircraft. I know players who will build air complexes in key cities *before* taking the Cloudbase, quite deliberately, for this reason. If I were playing on a small-medium map, I would think very carefully before taking the Cloudbase - it's a very strong SP, but again aerospace complexes aren't too hard to build if you have a decent economy and fewer than 20 bases.
I would still build the VW as the University - if you lose it, you are in chaos for a turn but psych provides a quick fix at least.
In the vast majority of my multi-player games, it's not possible to build these projects safely in the heart of a huge empire. Against the AI, of course, I'd build anything I wanted 
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Net Maverick
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Misotu:
Have you ever played a MP game where you had perimeter defenses in your bases, captured the CDF from another player, and then your opponent recapture the base? If so, did the bases that had a perimeter defense constructed prior to the capture lose their defenses?
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Net Maverick
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cbn,
Thanks for the input. Now I can confidently capture bases with dependent SPs in them.
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Misotu
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Leamington Spa, England
Dec 1999
time: 05:13
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quote:
Originally posted by Net Maverick on 05-16-2001 08:46 AM
Misotu:
Have you ever played a MP game where you had perimeter defenses in your bases, captured the CDF from another player, and then your opponent recapture the base? If so, did the bases that had a perimeter defense constructed prior to the capture lose their defenses?
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No, I have never had this happen. However, I have captured the CDF. I am pretty certain that, under the circumstances you describe, a constructed perimeter is a constructed perimeter. Which is to say that if you have built a perimeter in a base (or you capture a base which has a perimeter) that perimeter remains in place regardless of who owns the CDF.
When you take a base containing an SP that confers free facilities, you'll see a star against that facility in bases where it has actually been constructed. I have *never* seen a situation where that changes. Indeed, in MP, some experienced players will actually construct aero complexes in their key bases before building the Cloudbase. They do this because they want to retain an aero complex in the event that the Cloudbase falls.
So I am certain that you would not lose facilities under the circumstances you describe.
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tyler666
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U.S,Canton,NC
Dec 2000
time: 05:13
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Man SP's are cool and sense I bulid mine in well defended,well devolped,in short well off cities in the cradle of my often very large planetary empire I ussaly have nothing if anything I ussaly take the comps SP's and they sometimes counter-attack with everything they have chrusing my freshly made defense if they have enough units to do so and then they "take" an SP other than that im ussaly surpreme leader or part of the aliance that controls the planet b4 nukes are availble.
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