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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
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Didn't the resolution call for a report to be handed in in late march? Obviuosly 1441 did not think "immidiate" meant just a few days. Again, no actual timetable was handed in...
As for the notion that Only regime change leads to disarmement..how so? according to the amdin. they "know" were so many of these things are. Bomb sites, invade, quarentine the regime, search for the sites, once you have found them, leave. What happens to the reigme during that time, or after, well, that's not our issue. That is fundamentally different than conquest, followed by setting up a new regime.
And besides, according to the UN system, any of the five veto powers have the ability to cancel any action. So, if any of the Veto nations blocks action, well the system worked as it was intended and writen to work. Whether that is helpful to any of the ohter veto powers or non-veto members..well, tough luck.
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flash9286
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France broke the treaty ending the gulf war, by letting one of there companys sell weapons to Iraq
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Indeed, and at least the US and the UK are now going to clean up one of their messes.
Why everyone complains, that the US is going to cleanup after it's own policy mistakes, is beyond, me. Surely, that's the whole argument, that the US face up to it's responsibilities and fix problems it has created.
In my eye, the US is being more responsible and mature in this than the EU, which prefers to "take the money and run".
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:26
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I do think people overestimate the relation between the Us and Iraq: certainly, the US gave Iraq forms of support during its war with Iran, since we didn't miond them killing Iranians one bit, but in terms of arms sales, the Iranians got more form the US than Iraq (whole, Iran Contra bit).
The Us had no diplomatic relations with Iraq from the late 60's on, since it viewed Iraq as a radical, anti-Israel, soviet leaning Arab regime. The Us re-opened realtions with Iraq in 1983 (that's the famous Rummy pic), during the Iraq-Iran war, but the US did not actually ever sell Iraq any weapon systems of significance. That was doen buy the Soviets and French. May I add that anyone who points to that as a "sign" of Russian, french "complicity" is an idiot, since the Us at the time approved, and the US does have a history of sdelling weapons to brutal tators, just not this one.
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Master Zen
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of naughty
Jan 2003
time: 23:26
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quote:
Originally posted by CICSMaster
Indeed, and at least the US and the UK are now going to clean up one of their messes.
Why everyone complains, that the US is going to cleanup after it's own policy mistakes, is beyond, me. Surely, that's the whole argument, that the US face up to it's responsibilities and fix problems it has created.
In my eye, the US is being more responsible and mature in this than the EU, which prefers to "take the money and run". |
The problem is that "cleaning up" will cost the iraqui people thousands of lives much more than what the iraqui regime, the intended target, will suffer.
Plus, what guarantee do we have that the US will not make a mistake this time and try to "clean it up" in the future? The US's entire foreign policy in the Middle East is a huge mistake
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09-03-2003 01:39
I know if was supposed to be good for the economy, but surely some governments would have had sense and realised that selling weapons to unstable regimes is not a good think to do, purely for humaitarian reasons 
to all. Although I don't think Saddam would have destroyed the Al-Samoud missiles without the threat of war there. And I don't believe Saddam has nukes, whereas most biologcial and chemical agents are no more damaging than conventional weapons IMHO.
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