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PrinceBimz
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Go back to Pearl Harbor...read a book or watch a movie. Remember, back then the US were attempting negociations with Japan. The book or movie will show you the rest. I take it many already know what happened but sometimes I think they forget. If you are one of those who forgot, go back and read or watch.
"The US are the bad guys?"
Now go back just a little to the recent 9/11. Where were you during that day? What were you doing? How did you feel when you found out what had happened?Have you lost any loved ones in that attack?
"The US are the bad guys??"
Now why did they do it? What were they trying to proove by killing thousands of innocent people? I mean we are talking about airliners loaded with men, women and children citizens. We are talking about buildings where thousands of citizens work everyday. A landmark, a major city. Now look at all of the children left without parents. Or wives without husbands.
"The US are the bad guys???"
So why don't the terrorists target military facilities like the US attempts to do (and does fairly well) in last Gulf War? They had preferred to attack unarmed civilians on airliners. Do the terrorist care about human life?
"Now tell me, are the US still bad guys????"
They come on our land and kill thousands of our innocent unarmed people. Then they say we should not attack. We are the ones who need to negociate? Well you know what? We are going to attack. So next time, before claiming the US are evil and we are the bad guys, read this again. At last lets gets some support here!
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flash9286
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They come on our land and kill thousands of our innocent unarmed people. Then they say we should not attack. We are the ones who need to negociate? Well you know what? We are going to attack. So next time, before claiming the US are evil and we are the bad guys, read this again. At last lets gets some support here! |
How many civilians are going to be killed in Iraq. Were no more important to them. Arent we terrorists just usinig convential warfare.
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ranskaldan
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Beijing ~ Singapore ~ Toronto ~ All hail to the new Rome
Sep 2001
time: 00:26
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Whoa... you don't have to start that many threads on the same thing.
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Originally posted by PrinceBimz
"The US are the bad guys?" |
Pretty much 
Okay, I'll be a bit fairer: the US is acting like the big kid on the block. Nothing really wrong with that, except that it doesn't involve too much of being nice.
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Now why did they do it? What were they trying to proove by killing thousands of innocent people? I mean we are talking about airliners loaded with men, women and children citizens. We are talking about buildings where thousands of citizens work everyday. A landmark, a major city. Now look at all of the children left without parents. Or wives without husbands. |
They were trying to make a point. American bombing of Iraq would equally be an attempt at making a point.
In both cases, btw, the point is liberation, freedom, and self-determination.
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So why don't the terrorists target military facilities like the US attempts to do (and does fairly well) in last Gulf War? They had preferred to attack unarmed civilians on airliners. Do the terrorist care about human life? |
Because they can't?
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They come on our land and kill thousands of our innocent unarmed people. Then they say we should not attack. We are the ones who need to negociate? Well you know what? We are going to attack. So next time, before claiming the US are evil and we are the bad guys, read this again. At last lets gets some support here! |
Who are they? Who is the the enemy? A catch-all category where you throw anyone and everyone you feel like beating up? If this is really about the "enemy", then your taxdollars are far better spent on pursuing the remnants of Al Qaeda, and countries that support terrorism far more than Iraq ever has - Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria, Libya.
You're right, this is almost like a movie. Whether Lord of the Rings or Braveheart, there is always an enemy that you can kill without remorse, that you can kill without end in the name of "the defense of our homes". Well, guess what, your real enemy operates on exactly the same idea.
Ultimately, this idea of the faceless enemy is simply used to whip the populace into a frenzy and ready to attack anyone who may vaguely be different. And apparently, it has worked.
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PLATO
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Of the occupied South
Dec 2002
time: 23:26
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Originally posted by Sandman
Fine, this war will probably involve hundreds of thousands of deaths and millions of refugees. It will be genocidal because:
The Iraqis constitute a national group and are therefore eligble to be victims of genocide. (Silly, but that's the law apparently)
The war is an act of naked aggression.
The war will almost doubtlessly target Iraqi infrastructure, resulting in conditions that will bring about the partial destruction of the Iraqi people.
Depleted uranium shells may also have the effect of poisoning the land.
The Iraqi army is so outclassed that this war is best seen as similar to the wars by 19th Century troops against stone-age tribes. Iraqi conscripts may be legally combatants, but effectively they're the same as civilians. |
Okay, that clears that up.
Now,
1.) The Us military is committed to attacking military targets and minimalizing the impact on the civilian population.
2.) The Us is already stockpiling food and relief material to minimize the impact on the civilian population
3.) By no estimate or projection that I have seen would any sizable part of the population become casualties, but just in case the US is stockpiling medical supplies and organizing Doctors and Nurses to help minimize the impact to the Civilian population.
4.) Enforcement of UN resolutions are not "naked aggression" under any definition I know of.
5.) Iraqi infrastructure will not only be rebuilt but will be improved as the country gets to enjoy the fruit of their oil revenue instead of it being pumped into presidential palaces, swiss bank accounts, financing of terrorism, and WMD.
6.) Depleted Uranium is just that...depleted.
7.) The Iraqi army is out classed. When they surrender we will cloth them, feed them, give them shelter, and access to a variety of services from religious to relief.
Further:
The war can be yet avoided if:
1.) Saddam comes clean now. Not tommorrow and not in parts.
2.) Saddam accepts the UAE plan and goes into exile.
3.) The people around him sense their plight and remove him themselves.
If this does not happen then the US will prevent:
1.) Malnutrtion and disease among Iraqi's due to the misappropriation of material by Iraq of the "oil for food" material.
2.) Summary execution of political dissenters.
3.) Payments to the families of terrorist
4.) Threats to Iraq's neighbors
5.) Harbouring of terrorist organizations
I could go on, but your point was about genocide. I hardly think it applies.
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Q Cubed
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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
time: 23:26
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9/11 != 12/7.
why?
1. Pearl Harbor was a legitimate military target. Civilian casualties were vastly lower. The World Trade Centers were an illegitimate target, its principle victims being civilians and not military personnel.
2. Pearl Harbor's destruction was done after Japan declared war on us and broke off negotiations. Al Qaeda never truly declared war, nor was it ever in negotiations.
3. Pearl Harbor's destruction was undertaken by a hostile national government with the full backing of the nation, and not by small cells harbored by a government. Al Qaeda wasn't a government.
4. Japan was a single, cohesive nation with whom the United States could deal with directly, fighting back state to state. Al Qaeda is not a nation, nor is it truly cohesive. It is a network of cells with few contacts in between, and impossible to deal with as a whole.
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9/11 == 12/7
1. They both took a disinterested, rather complacent nation by surprise, but didn't truly shock experts in the area.
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so please, don't draw the false analogy of the WTC destruction as another Pearl Harbor. because it isn't.
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Ozz
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Canada
Mar 2002
time: 05:26
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quote:
Originally posted by PrinceBimz Go back to Pearl Harbor... |
Been watching too many John (Chickhawk) Wayne movies. Emotional appeals won't work.
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