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nbarclay is offline nbarclay
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Dec 1999
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To be edited by the leaders of the Scholia.

Status:
- Research idling at 0% investment (technically on Philosophy).
- 317 gold cash (including GoW's 100 surity), about +33 per turn.

Urgent questions:
- Need to finish resolving the Lux/Vox situation.

Military:


Economy:
- EotS finishes worker, starts another worker.
- Rearrange EotS and Hurricane laborers so EotS is working three FPs and an irrigated fur and Hurricane is working three irrigated furs and an irrigated plains (or mined grassland).
- New worker in EotS moves 1-1-1. (Bolderberg is behind on improved tiles at the moment.)
- Worker from Hurricane starts mining.
- Worker on horse tile finished irrigation, starts road.
- Worker by Tempest finished road, moves 2.
- Move Bolderberg's laborer currently on the forest tile to the unimproved grassland.
- Cyclone grows. It's new laborer probably needs moved from a forest to the shielded grassland we're currently mining.

Diplomacy:
- Still need to finish resolving the Vox/Lux situation.
- May have some residual communications with GoW to take care of.
- Do we want to go ahead and have Vox or Lux (if the latter is willing) give us Horseback Riding?
- Probably need to go ahead and pass Literature on to Vox.

Last edited by nbarclay on 06-03-2003 at 12:21

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- Do we want to go ahead and have Vox or Lux (if the latter is willing) give us Horseback Riding?


Certainly, I think it's time. Plus, if we get it now and not much later, when it is the last tech that is needed to enter the mid ages, it'll most likely fly below GoW's radar.
I'd recommend getting it from Vox, because they have to give it to us anyway, and once we gift them CoL and Lit, they'll feel obliged and morally unable to refuse. Asking Lux for HBR, or even telling them about this, is a bad idea IMHO, because:
1. Lux may very well tell GoW, which in turn may become very upset (though quite unjustly, IMHO). That could significantly severe our relations with them.
2. Lux would probably add more complications to our already complicated relations. IMHO, it's better that we just avoid them and ask Vox.

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IMO we don't need HBR from Vox yet, but we could ask how long ago they got it, and if their NDA has ended already. By waiting until after literature and CoL (which we could offer them now, we've got all other parties covered), they will see it as a small gift towards us, instead of yet another tech they give withouth getting anything in return.

DeepO

Arrian is offline Arrian
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It just occurred to me... tech is FLYING. I expected it to be faster than a SP game and all, but WOW! It's 1375bc, for goodnesssake!

So many things available to build, so little time!

-Arrian

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I guess it will slow down after the free (scientific) techs are traded once we hit the next era.

But yeah, the tech atm is fast
Ironically, thech being fast in SP was/is one the biggest issues with people, and now they are even worse

I expected it to be slower then SP.

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What's most ironically to me is that normally faster tech means a disadvantage for me, while now, it is quite the contrary: when research gets faster, those with the best research are advantaged more.

DeepO

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Techs do fly- and i don't see things being slown down considerably, not even when wars erupt- teams will still research complementarily and trade- also in order to get things moving.

Indeed, as one of the tech leaders, achieved also with our profitable partnership with Vox, and our careful trading schemes, we can be optimistic- i think we should thank Vox for this, if it wasn't for them, we could have been in a situation only slightly better than Lego, WRT tech advance.

Do you remember that time when we feared this would be our fate, when Vox showen little or no trustworthiness? Things have considerably changed, although Vox can still be unexpected, at times...

nbarclay is offline nbarclay
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How about if we engineer things so that in game, we're trading Vox Literature for Horseback Riding? That might help provide a little extra cover for our tech deal with Vox.

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Fine by me... however doesn't Vox want lit sooner? And it still leaves the question of CoL, which we need to give to Vox anyway. We can't simply 'trade' lit+CoL for HBR, that would be silly...

DeepO

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I've already given Vox Code of Laws, at the same time I sent out the other offers.

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Ah, okay...

DeepO

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I'm gettin' excited...

* That's a damn good looking empire we are building.
* We are pretty safe (for the moment).
* Research / gold is insane.

I say again: We need to decide how we are going to win.

nbarclay is offline nbarclay
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I say again: We need to decide how we are going to win.


I would word it, "We need to examine our options for how we might win depending on how the game develops." Against AIs, you can pretty much predict what options will be available to you and what options will not down the road. Against human opponents, all you can do is analyze the possibilities and figure out how you'll handle them if they become reality.

Nathan

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I would word it, "We need to examine our options for how we might win depending on how the game develops."


Wow. Well said!

nbarclay is offline nbarclay
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Score information:

118 (+2) Gathering Storm
125 (+2) Demogyptica
105 (+2) Glory of War
132 (+2) Role Play
92 (+2) Vox Controli
139 (+2) Legoland

asleepathewheel is offline asleepathewheel
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0 (-69) Lux Invicta



RIP LI

nbarclay is offline nbarclay
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The captured Luxian worker is out of sight, but the F3 screen indicates that Vox did nab him.

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The captured Luxian worker is out of sight, but the F3 screen indicates that Vox did nab him.


shocking.

Is dissidentville still around, or was it destroyed on the capture?

nbarclay is offline nbarclay
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0 (-69) Lux Invicta


Actually, the F8 screen is showing Lux's score at 69. Score is based on a per-turn average, so it doesn't drop to zero the momement a team is eliminated. But Lux no longer shows up on the list of civs on the main screen.

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Actually, the F8 screen is showing Lux's score at 69. Score is based on a per-turn average, so it doesn't drop to zero the momement a team is eliminated. But Lux no longer shows up on the list of civs on the main screen.






how embarrassing. I have played this game, really I have.

nbarclay is offline nbarclay
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Is dissidentville still around, or was it destroyed on the capture?


Still there. I just realized that the fact that Lux had it as their capital as a while means it did build up some culture, and in PtW, that's all that's needed. I'd missed that fact earlier.

nbarclay is offline nbarclay
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Shots on their way.

nbarclay is offline nbarclay
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Neither ND nor GoW has Literature yet. If they still don't when we play our next turn, we may want to consider soliciting offers.

If no one objects, I'll go ahead and give Vox Literature and we'll ask them to give us Horseback Riding when their turn comes.

nbarclay is offline nbarclay
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By the way, when I play a turn, I normally send the screenshots in between the time I finish moving and the time I finish using the current turn to help me plan the next one and thinking to make sure I haven't missed anything.

Aeson is offline Aeson
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It's probably more efficient given the tech pace and our treasury to build Horsemen anyways. Especially at times when our Barracks cities are sitting at 6 shields per turn. Having both options available will help us minimize wasted shields.

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I hadn't thought about spending the extra shields for horsemen instead of WCs in order to make knight upgrades cheaper (I assume that's your idea), but that might not be a bad idea. Mostly, I just want GoW to stop badgering us to buy Horseback Riding from them.

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Yah, we don't really have a huge treasury (and can't get one while maintaining this tech rate), so too many WC to upgrade is not a good idea.

At 5 shields either WC or Horses both hit right on, at 6 shields, WC's waste 4. At 7, WC's only waste 1, while Horses waste 5. At 8 WC's waste 4 and Horses 2. So having the choice is a good thing.

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If we can time Leo's for before we're ready to upgrade, we'll probably want all the units we can get, since upgrades with Leo's are dirt cheap. (And we could always suspend research temporarily to get gold for upgrades when we're ready.) There are pros and cons either way.

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Turn is sent.

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By the way, see the ambassador's office thread for the message I'm sending BetaHound. I'll leave it up to Vox to decide whether having it look like they're trading Horseback Riding for Literature is a reasonable move or not.

Nathan

 
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