06-03-2003 17:00									#1
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OK then, this is just a very informal poll to get the general trend of opinion of the team on this issue.

Exactly WHO we invite can be discussed in this thread if that's what people want to do.

If we do want to invite any of them to the team we should do it soon, otherwise we'll have missed our chance and another team will have snapped them up.

Discuss....

	06-03-2003 17:06									#2
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No, I don't think we should invite them. If they come to us, we'll decide whether we take them or not. If they don't come, fine.

	06-03-2003 17:39									#3
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I do think we should get at least one Luxian into GS, the ones going to others teams will more then likely inform them on our lands/deals (at leat what they know about it.)
Therefore getting some extra (correct) info on BoB is surely not going to hurt us.

btw: sorry SR, but I jumped the gun on the inviting part.
Well, not really, I merely asked Ixnay if he would be interested in joining GS.
I did explicitely told him my PM was NOT official, but that if he would be interested, there is a good chance that we would accept him.

	06-03-2003 17:41									#4
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I see the wisdom of Sir Ralph's viewpoint on this, but I would nevertheless like to see us invite one of them to the team.

BigFurryMonster: he would be a valuable member of the team IMHO - you can never have too many people with his dedication and hopefully he would lighten the load for some of our busier members.

	06-03-2003 20:19									#5
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Whatever you guys want to do, I guess.

I don't think I want any of them in the diplomatic corps (or the Spartan Academy, come to think of it), though!

-Arrian

	06-03-2003 21:57									#6
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BFM. I've been impressed by his methodologies in the ISDG... ask Dominae.

I like the idea of getting one of them, but otherwise side with SR that we should mostly just let this play out.

	06-03-2003 22:19									#7
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no real opinion on this one. The intelligence would be nice, but taking a member who saw the game from a different perspective for a few months might be good, but might be catastrophic as well...

But I agree with Arrian, no Luxian on the diplo corps. (Spartan academy... well... maybe we need to retreat in the far future, I'm sure the Luxians can learn us a few things about that.)

DeepO

	06-03-2003 23:25									#8
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Yup, we should invite BFM.

	06-03-2003 23:50									#9
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The map information a Lux player is going to give out is probably more useful to us than any other team. Our only real terrain 'secret' that they know is the placement of our second Iron source.

	06-03-2003 23:50									#10
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Voted yes

we need someone for the intel.

It may be the only way to get a map of bob until we invade.

we need to land one of them, now, before they all get away.

	06-03-2003 23:56									#11
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It seems most agree inviting Luxians is ok, so next question: who knows someone from ex-Lux, and wants to ask them? (I saw Alva already asked ixnay informally).

One thing though: I don't like the idea that we'll be taking a new member simply for the information they can give us, whoever wants to join has to uphold to the demands we ask on all new members: be active, be honorably, and be friendly. In other words an asset to the team apart from the information he brings us.

DeepO

	07-03-2003 00:13									#12
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Is getting Lux's map of Bob from a former member of Lux even legal?

	07-03-2003 00:18									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Shiber Is getting Lux's map of Bob from a former member of Lux even legal?

who knows.

I think yes, though this could conceivably lead to problems, like "we will give the governorship of portia in exchange for you joining the team" etc. bidding for the services. i doubt that for this game though.

I think its legal.

	07-03-2003 01:17									#14
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Ixnay responded by saying, that if permitted, he would very much like to join gs


Shall I make a "black/white ball" poll about him or wait awhile?

Maybe someone else can contact BFM? (and put up a poll)

	07-03-2003 02:14									#15
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quote: Shall I make a "black/white ball" poll about him or wait awhile?

A black/white poll seems reasonable. If anyone objects they can always vote Black - that's why we call this a Democracy game.

	07-03-2003 03:01									#16
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Looks like Lux member CiverDan joined RP already.

	07-03-2003 03:59									#17
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Maybe we should have the polls before we invite anyone.

People to poll on:
ixnay
BigFurryMonster

others perhaps as GS members request it.

	07-03-2003 04:04									#18
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Perhaps asking BFM if he wants to join at all

	07-03-2003 04:05									#19
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I'd like to know if anyone is inclined to use the black ball before I ask anyone if they are interested. Could avoid putting someone in a very awkward position.

	07-03-2003 04:17									#20
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nye, I think we should ask whether they might be interested, explaining that if they are, we should poll it to mek it final is the best way to proceed. If we wait until polling, they might have joined another team already...
the risk they are upset when they would be refused isn't that big

DeepO

	07-03-2003 04:21									#21
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OK. I started one for ixnay. I will start one for BFM, and I will try to raise him in chat.

	07-03-2003 07:35									#22
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BFM is going on a week's holiday beginning tomorrow. He has not considered joing any other team. Rather, he expressed an interest in getting more involved in the ISDG.

I mentioned to him that his name had come up among some of us and suggested to him that if he decides to seek another team, he should remember us.

	07-03-2003 14:34									#23
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Shiber raises an interesting question about the legality of an ex-Luxian joining the squad and bringing the map with him.

One side is that it isn't legal due to the "out of game" context....

The other side (which I'm more inclined to agree with) is that refugees in RL are free to bring any kind of secrets they hold in their head, or their hand. If Ixnay should bring a map with him, that he snuck past the Voxians ( ) , then what's wrong with that?

I could be mistaken however, but I think that it isn't illegal, or that it shouldn't be if it IS.

	07-03-2003 14:51									#24
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I think that's the sort of question that really ought to be determined by all the teams together rather than having each team and each ex-Luxian come up with a potentially different interpretation.

	07-03-2003 15:51									#25
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Hmm, the less limits we(other teams) impose on Luxian members, the less chance of (possible) cheating there is and the less accusations(sp?) there will be.

There are practicaly no limits in this game, there is no need to start now.
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Whatever the 'new' members say or do, will always be based alot on their previous (Lux) experience, so even without them telling anything right away, asking the right questions will result in the same thing.

	07-03-2003 16:46									#26
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I was thinking... do all former Lux members even have access to screenshots etc.?

DeepO

	09-03-2003 23:41									#27
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Yeah, I can get you guys screenshots and maps, and sometime in the next week I'll put up a writeup about our situation and what happened. It'll most likely have to wait until I get back to school next weekend, though, since I'm at home for spring break now and am not online too frequently.

	10-03-2003 00:36									#28
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Thanks Kyle