09-03-2003 02:27									#1
	Replacement for Apolyton Search Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Since the Apolyton Search doesn't work, and I was trying to find a person's post so I could see a new sig, this is what I did:

(1) Go to http://www.google.com
(2) Type in as your search:

[whatever] site:apolyton.net

(3) Click on the most relevant result!!!

I don't think it works so well for more specific stuff but I was able to find one of the guy's posts.

Let's see how long each one takes.

Let's try to find one of Frozzy's posts using the Apolyton Search.

Steps:
(1) Start Time, New Window for Search page
(2) Type "Frozzy" (w/o quotes) in "Search By User Name" space
(3) Hit Perform Search
(4) Click on Result
(5) Result Loaded
(6) Ctrl-F User's Nick Until Post is Found, Stop Time.

That one took 3 min, 40sec.

Now let's find a post of Frozzy's using Google:
(1) Start Time, New Window (doesn't matter for what as you will be Stopping it)
(2) Stop Loading New Window
(3) Go to http://www.google.com
(4) Search for:
"Frozzy site:apolyton.net"
w/o quotes
(5) Click Result
(6) Result Loaded
(7) Ctrl-F User's Nick Until Post is Found, Stop Time.

That one took 1 min, 50sec.

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In both instances the very first result was clicked, that created an additional delay on the Google side becuase a forum page opened instead of a thread page. Still, Google won out by a long shot.

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As I research this more, I'll try to figure out whether Google can be tweaked to get to exact posts, etc.

(Markos, you can finally pitch the Search function once and for all. )

	09-03-2003 03:13									#2
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Update:

Search

"greek sun" coffee site:apolyton.net

did not work. This is probably to do with the forums database not being searchable or something like that (IIRC forumdatabases can't be searched. Dunno. )
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BTW, there was a 2600 a while back with an article on Google tricks. IIRC it was entitled "Stupid Google Tricks". Could someone please direct me to a text of that article online or the issue number? Thanks in advance.

[EDIT]
Update:
Apolyton Searches

"greek sun" coffee

and

greek AND sun OR coffee

returned nothing:

quote: The search term you specified (sun) is under the minimum word length (4) and therefore will not be found. Please make this term longer.

So that's a tie between Google and Apolyton so far.
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[EDIT again]
Sorry, that's not a tie, that's Google-1, Poly-0. (Google was faster in one test and neither could run the other test.)
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	09-03-2003 09:59									#3
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Stupid Google Tricks:

http://store.2600.com/spring2002.html

	09-03-2003 10:02									#4
	Re: Replacement for Apolyton Search Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Since the Apolyton Search doesn't work, and I was trying to find a person's post so I could see a new sig, this is what I did: (1) Go to http://www.google.com (2) Type in as your search: [whatever] site:apolyton.net (3) Click on the most relevant result!!!

I don't think Google searches more than half of Poly's forums, but it's better than nothing.

I once did a search on someone's sig and it only came back with Poly returns (and one porn site).

	09-03-2003 11:07									#5
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How much does google charge for their search feature on a site? It certainly increase search finds on the forum.

	09-03-2003 13:09									#6
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quote: Now let's find a post of Frozzy's using Google: (1) Start Time, New Window (doesn't matter for what as you will be Stopping it) (2) Stop Loading New Window (3) Go to http://www.google.com (4) Search for: "Frozzy site:apolyton.net" w/o quotes (5) Click Result (6) Result Loaded (7) Ctrl-F User's Nick Until Post is Found, Stop Time. That one took 1 min, 50sec.

In Opera this will only take 5 steps... Less then 10 seconds (I copied and pasted your search terms though )

	09-03-2003 14:34									#7
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the "google on apolyton" search you are describing is the "apolyton" option in the search box at the top part of all forum thread pages

	09-03-2003 22:23									#8
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Static23
Thank you for telling me what issue that was, I think I remember where I put that one now.
Heuij
All tests were done in IE.
However, in Mozilla, the Google test brings back a result of 50 seconds.
MarkG
D'oh!
First time I searched with your suggestion, I got this though:

quote: Server Error The server encountered a temporary error and could not complete your request. Please try again in a minute or so

So I tried again:
Same result. Waited a few minutes, and....
Same result.

I decided seeing if Google at all was working, heading to the trusty google.com. :MAJOR-EEK: Same thing.

I guess something is very wrong with Google at the moment, as only 1 search (Frozzy on threads list) out of 5 attempts worked.

So I'll figure it out later .

(You know the world is ending if google is down. )

	09-03-2003 22:37									#9
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote: Originally posted by MarkG the "google on apolyton" search you are describing is the "apolyton" option in the search box at the top part of all forum thread pages

I did not know that! This is very useful.

	10-03-2003 01:14									#10
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hi ,

"google"

no thanks , it keeps to many files on the users , ........

the apolyton search is good enough , ....

and Markos should charge them if "google" links up with Apolyton , .....

have a nice day

	10-03-2003 02:21									#11
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Tests on the Thread-Page Search Box

(1) New Window
(2) Type "Frozzy" in Box
(3) Scroll to "Apolyton" in Drop-Down Menu
(4) Hit Search
(5) Click on Most Relevant Result
(6) Most Relevant Result Finishes D/L-ing
(7) Ctrl-F "Frozzy"

1 min, 41 sec

Uh...Markos...going through http://www.google.com was faster

Eh, it depends on many factors though, so I guess it means it takes about the same amount of time. However, if the Search feature is useless anyways, and the little search box at teh top of each thread-link page uses Google, why don't we just go ahead and throw away the search feature? Is it embedded into vBB or something?

	12-03-2003 09:38									#12
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My question is why did you use my username

	12-03-2003 15:59									#13
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Maybe he's so fond of you?

Mitch, how bored where you when you started to fool around with this useless stuff?

	12-03-2003 18:06									#14
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , "google" no thanks , it keeps to many files on the users , ........ the apolyton search is good enough , .... and Markos should charge them if "google" links up with Apolyton , ..... have a nice day

What files?

	12-03-2003 21:15									#15
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I was going to try to find one of Ming's posts, but Google returned all sorts of interviews **** on him. So the next person I thought of was Frozzy. Strange...

Rasbelin, shut up
To illustrate my boredom, however, imagine the most boring thing you can think of in the world. Then multiply it a few infinity times.

	13-03-2003 03:07									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Lemmy What files?

hi ,

read above , ....

have a nice day

	13-03-2003 03:26									#17
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hi ,

panag , .....

tell us what exactly "google" keeps on us , ....

that is , unless you are implying , ....

that all the results from searches , are the files "google" keeps on you , ....

they are not , ....

have a nice day

	13-03-2003 03:39									#18
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell hi , panag , ..... tell us what exactly "google" keeps on us , .... that is , unless you are implying , .... that all the results from searches , are the files "google" keeps on you , .... they are not , .... have a nice day

hi ,

for the last time > www.cyberscrub.com , ....

have a nice day

	13-03-2003 15:41									#19
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@ Mitchell, though you shouldn't give in to the temptation to make easy jokes like that.

As for google, I don't think there is any problem with using it.

	13-03-2003 16:16									#20
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panag, i still don't inderstand what files you mean, and what is in those files?
Information on what the users search for, or the results of search? And what users do you mean, Apolyton users, or Google users?

	13-03-2003 16:18									#21
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Rasbelin, shut up

You too, Mitch.

	13-03-2003 16:26									#22
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* Ari Rahikkala slaps Rasbelin and mrmitchell around a bit with a dead pilot whale *

	13-03-2003 16:51									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Lemmy panag, i still don't inderstand what files you mean, and what is in those files? Information on what the users search for, or the results of search? And what users do you mean, Apolyton users, or Google users?

I think he's talking about the cookie that maintains your Google preferences, which also links to all the searches you have done while that cookie exists, along with your IP address. This enables Google to possibly build files on individuals, or individual computers, anyway. The Google toolbar also always them to track the search history on specific computers.

There's a conspiracy theory that says they're handing this over to the U.S. government.

Check this link:

http://www.google-watch.org

	14-03-2003 01:12									#24
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , for the last time > www.cyberscrub.com , .... have a nice day

hi ,

panag wonders why some people dont read the above , ....

all the A & Q and a complete solution are above , ....

have a nice day

	14-03-2003 01:16									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Static23 I think he's talking about the cookie that maintains your Google preferences, which also links to all the searches you have done while that cookie exists, along with your IP address. This enables Google to possibly build files on individuals, or individual computers, anyway. The Google toolbar also always them to track the search history on specific computers. There's a conspiracy theory that says they're handing this over to the U.S. government. Check this link: http://www.google-watch.org

hi ,

good link

google does use plain old fashion spyware , nothing more to it , they allready have some problems in countries due to what they use , ....

not to mention that they ask big bucks on people or firms to have a link in the top ten search results , ......

and not to mention that some people are about to take them to court in some states in the US , .....

have a nice day

	14-03-2003 03:45									#26
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Okay, okay, okay. Instead of telling me what they do, you sent me on a vague fact-hunting mission. I remember some whine from a few nuts a while back about something like that, so I accepted the VFHM challenge. Well, I found that they kept a few logs of my searching habits and that the Toolbar keeps a few more logs of your other websites.

(1) You don't need the toolbar to do regular searches
(2) I highly doubt other search engines don't keep such records
(3) It's no reason to give up such a great search engine.