09-03-2003 08:26									#31
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quote: Originally posted by jdd2007 his first comment i mean whoops. multiple post suck

okay glad to know that the scenario that I portrayed wasn't pornographic for ya. Because if ti did, I would have suggested a professional help.

	09-03-2003 08:26									#32
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs Peacemaker, you should lobby for the porn industry...

Hey I just think sex is one of the better thing in this world. I would much rather have kids interested in sex than killing.

I just don't understand the people who think we need to hide all sexual images from the youth because even if you do they will still have sex.

	09-03-2003 08:26									#33
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St. Leo, that would easily be done if the photoshop the "stuff" off her leg. It'd still be walking the line, but it wouldn't cross it.

	09-03-2003 08:30									#34
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The whole problem is that it further makes sex a faceless commodity and doesn't talk about the consequences of doing it.

Those of you that think media portrayal of violence and sex don't have an impression on kids are full of ****.

	09-03-2003 08:31									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Calc II Well thats what you think... but certainly that doesnt stop herbal essence commercials from airing.

What's your point?

	09-03-2003 08:33									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker What's your point?

my point is that if you see herbal essence airing, its very possible to launch this ad and not have too much difficulty like Drose is trying to make.

	09-03-2003 08:36									#37
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Look people, there's no way I could put what I said gently, except for the single * replacing the proper letter. The ad is unacceptable for printing anywhere other than in "adult" magazines, that much is pretty established by existing US law.

The forum I moderate is DEAD SERIOUS about protecting minors from material they don't need to see and shouldn't see. I agree that they will eventually figure out the more grown-up parts of the birds-n-bees stuff at some point, but it shouldn't happen before they're physiologically ready to "participate" in such activities. A 15-yr-old doesn't need to see a shoe ad "implying" some "implied" girl giving some "implied" guy "implied" ...erm...attention.



Gaa, those Herbal Essence commercials tick me off too, but they (unfortunately) DON'T cross the line because there's no nudity even. Sure, she's screaming like there's no tomorrow and she's gonna' make the best of it, but the ad doesn't go far enough to cross the line.

	09-03-2003 08:37									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Peacemaker Hey I just think sex is one of the better thing in this world. I would much rather have kids interested in sex than killing. I just don't understand the people who think we need to hide all sexual images from the youth because even if you do they will still have sex.

A comedian said something along that line about US morals.

	09-03-2003 08:40									#39
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs Gaa, those Herbal Essence commercials tick me off too, but they (unfortunately) DON'T cross the line because there's no nudity even. Sure, she's screaming like there's no tomorrow and she's gonna' make the best of it, but the ad doesn't go far enough to cross the line.

Where do you see the nudity in this ad?

	09-03-2003 08:41									#40
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Calc, reread what you quoted from me there and find your answer...

	09-03-2003 08:41									#41
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Hey Calc do you have a little girl? Would you care if she saw that ad?

	09-03-2003 08:42									#42
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Gaa, those Puma commercials tick me off too, but they (unfortunately) DON'T cross the line because there's no nudity even. Sure, she's on her knees like there's no tomorrow and she's gonna' make the best of it, but the ad doesn't go far enough to cross the line.

	09-03-2003 08:46									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Hey Calc do you have a little girl? Would you care if she saw that ad?

Why are you curious about my opinion when it has nothign to do with it?

Do you care if your little girl saw herbal essence or other provocative ads that do exist?

	09-03-2003 08:47									#44
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Who cares if there is no nudity. A freakin' load of man juice is even more lewd than nudity.

	09-03-2003 08:47									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Calc II Why are you curious about my opinion when it has nothign to do with it? Do you care if your little girl saw herbal essence or other provocative ads that do exist?

Yes I would.

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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Who cares if there is no nudity. A freakin' load of man juice is even more lewd than nudity.

you gotta be kidding me if you think they used real man juice for that ad.

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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Yes I would.

There ya go. So what's wrong with the puma commercial from being run? Even if I answered yes, it still isnt a good enough reason for why this commercial should not run, because other commercial you would answer yes to is running very well anyway.

Your attempt to get me to answer "yes" was a complete waste of time.....

	09-03-2003 08:50									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Who cares if there is no nudity. A freakin' load of man juice is even more lewd than nudity.

Het, as she was bending down to pick up the bag she sneezed and got a bunch of snot on her knee.

	09-03-2003 08:52									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Calc II you gotta be kidding me if you think they used real man juice for that ad.

Who cares if it's real or not? You know what it is supposed to be?

	09-03-2003 08:53									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Who cares if it's real or not? You know what it is supposed to be?

quote: Het, as she was bending down to pick up the bag she sneezed and got a bunch of snot on her knee.

Anyway you missed my point. But oh well

	09-03-2003 08:55									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Calc II There ya go. So what's wrong with the puma commercial from being run? Your attempt to get me to answer "yes" was a complete waste of time.....

Look, like the Supreme Court guy said, when talking about porn, "I know it when I see it."

This is over the line. It's a bad influence on kids. It is completley immoral and, morals aside, is completely not practical to be run because KIDS ARE INFLUENCED BY WHAT THEY SEE IN ADVERTISING.

COMPANIES ADVERTISE BECAUSE ADVERTISING MAKES MONEY BY INFLUENCING BEHAVIOR.

If it didn't influence behavior then they wouldn't waste billions of dollars on it.

	09-03-2003 08:58									#52
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I read somewhere this week that a major sneaker company is now using a former porn star as their spokesperson. Is this it?

Would be interested in hearing from posters who have teenagers. Our two girls are still small, but if this is a legit ad, no matter where it runs, we won't be buying their product.

	09-03-2003 08:59									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Look, like the Supreme Court guy said, when talking about porn, "I know it when I see it." This is over the line. It's a bad influence on kids. It is completley immoral and, morals aside, is completely not practical to be run because KIDS ARE INFLUENCED BY WHAT THEY SEE IN ADVERTISING. COMPANIES ADVERTISE BECAUSE ADVERTISING MAKES MONEY BY INFLUENCING BEHAVIOR. If it didn't influence behavior then they wouldn't waste billions of dollars on it.

sigh ur really slow. Im not arguing whether this is moral or not. They're are other commercials just as bad this one and it has been running. So why wouldnt this one run?

	09-03-2003 08:59									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Calc II Gaa, those Puma commercials tick me off too, but they (unfortunately) DON'T cross the line because there's no nudity even. Sure, she's on her knees like there's no tomorrow and she's gonna' make the best of it, but the ad doesn't go far enough to cross the line.

Oh, yer funny Calc...

You think I approve of ads that "imply" ANY sex acts? You've said as much that I don't, so why go and distort something I've posted on this matter? The only place where such ads might be appropriate is in places where "material inappropriate for minors" is already printed, like "adult" magazines.

quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Who cares if there is no nudity. A freakin' load of man juice is even more lewd than nudity.

I'm not certain if you're responding to me, but I'll assume as much for the sake of this post: That wasn't my point. Bare shoulders aren't nudity, hell the Lever 2000 soap ads don't bother me (much). It's the fact that she's screaming in such a way that (ideally) only adults would recognize as being something else... The Puma ad is related, but on a whole different level...and yes, a worse level I agree.

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What about "There's Something About Mary"? Everything about the scene with Ben Stiller and the "hair gel" is implied - yet wasn't the movie PG-13? As far as I know PG-13 stuff is basically OK on TV, but I don't know what the rules are for magazines. I bet this would be perfectly appropriate in gray area magazines like FHM and Maxim.

	09-03-2003 09:01									#56
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quote: This is over the line. It's a bad influence on kids. It is completley immoral and, morals aside, is completely not practical to be run because KIDS ARE INFLUENCED BY WHAT THEY SEE IN ADVERTISING.

So are you saying that if we stop all sex in adverising the teens would no longer have sex?

	09-03-2003 09:03									#57
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Okay, so you're trying to set a precedent by saying there are other bad commericals out there so because of those precedents, this one is okay to be run. Therefore it must be real.

However:

1) Some of those commecials shouldn't be running
2) This one should DEFINITLEY not be running

Whether this is still real or not remains to be seen. And if it is indeed real then I am with Adam Smith and am NOT buying any Puma crap ever again.

Speak in English next time so I know what the **** you are talking about.

	09-03-2003 09:03									#58
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*Groan...* It's too soon to be bring other forms of media into this debate.

	09-03-2003 09:08									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Peacemaker So are you saying that if we stop all sex in adverising the teens would no longer have sex?

I am saying we need to be careful with what our kids are seeing because they are influnced by the images they see, but at the same time are not educated to the consequences of those actions. The more and more sex is commodized and cheapened, like in this ad, the more and more we see things like teen birthrates go up.

By, the way, the teen pregnancy rate in California has been decreasing, and this corresponds DIRECTLY with a heavy media blitz that teaches kids the consequences of doing it.

	09-03-2003 09:08									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Okay, so you're trying to set a precedent by saying there are other bad commericals out there so because of those precedents, this one is okay to be run. Therefore it must be real. However: 1) Some of those commecials shouldn't be running 2) This one should DEFINITLEY not be running Whether this is still real or not remains to be seen. And if it is indeed real then I am with Adam Smith and am NOT buying any Puma crap ever again. Speak in English next time so I know what the **** you are talking about.

Ok great, but if you think 1) Commercials that are running are acceptable, 2) This one is acceptable.

Am I arguing that I beleive this commercial is acceptable, NO. I dont intend to state my own view. But cant you see how this commercial would run?

Oh, and read english next time so you have an idea what another person is talking about.