09-03-2003 17:03									#1
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Defense Yes, Attack No

When Plantation resident Travis Clark joined the Marine Corps in 1996, it seemed like a good option. Then 19, he couldn't afford college and the country was in a state of relative peace, Clark said. He signed an eight-year contract, which required him to serve five years of active duty and stand by for a possible call-up during the next three years.

As the years passed, his views began to change. He started reading works by Martin Luther King Jr. and Mohandas Gandhi. His active duty stint ended in August 2001, and he now volunteers as special events coordinator for the anti-war group Peace South Florida.

If he's called up before his military contract ends in the summer of 2004, Clark said, he won't go.

"I can see violence used if there was an invading army invading my people," Clark said. "But I'm not going to go into someone else's country and force them to defend themselves."

Like Clark, many resisters say they vowed to defend the country, not to take part in what they consider a war of aggression. Veterans for Peace, a national group with 3,000 members, wrote a letter to the military's top commanders on Feb. 13, urging them not to fight.

"We believe the war against Iraq that the U.S. government is planning and preparing for is in violation of the Charter of the United Nations and customary international law," the letter reads. "The judgment of the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg noted, `Resort to war of aggression is not merely illegal, but criminal.'"

	09-03-2003 21:56									#2
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If he wants to accept a dishonorable discharge, and return pro-rata pay and benefits for the portion of time he doesn't serve as ordered, fine.

He signed a contract, he took an oath to obey the orders of his superiors, end of story.

Of course, for someone of your persuasion, an entire world that functioned like Iraq and North Korea is probably right up your alley.

Give it up, Communism is dead, and the revolution ain't coming, now or ever.

	09-03-2003 21:59									#3
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Why bother to post in a thread whose creator was banned

	09-03-2003 22:33									#4
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CT was banned, and I missed it?

That's the trouble with moving - internet access is so spotty.

	09-03-2003 22:36									#5
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I beat you to it... It was for his actions in "And then the skies wept" thread.

	09-03-2003 22:46									#6
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Yeah, I was playing with wiring problems in the new house and reworking the breaker panel, so the computer's been off and on all weekend.

	10-03-2003 00:41									#7
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Damn it! I wanted to make a thread on the moron. It takes a special kind of stupid to join the Army and then be shocked that you might be sent to war.

``It was the Clinton administration, the economy was strong and war didn't seem to be on the horizon,'' Travis said. ``Not once did any of the recruiters I spoke with mention war, enemy, shooting or death.''
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	10-03-2003 00:47									#8
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Just more proof that the Marines will take people too dumb for the Army.

	10-03-2003 00:53									#9
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Just more proof that the Marines will take people too dumb for the Army.

Travis Clark is in the Army's 10th Mountain Division. CT was full of crap when he said Marines.

	10-03-2003 01:01									#10
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actually that is the way my ex-sister-in-law felt

I think she managed to work out a way to leave the army (I don't think she was in for a year) arround the time fo Sept 11 (she was afraid she might be sent to afganistan (she was in hawai, didn't have papers to go or anything))

I don't have any respect for her (She treated my brother liek **** also)

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	10-03-2003 01:06									#11
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Personally, I find this to be a useful exercise. It separates those who are serious about serving their country versus those who are just in it for #1. Those who are in it for #1 should not be supported by the taxpayers and would probably sell their army comrades down the river in a heartbeat anyway.

	10-03-2003 01:07									#12
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I think it's ****ing funny. "WTF? we are working as soldiers and they expect us to fight? "

	10-03-2003 01:09									#13
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Isn't there a Monty Pyhton skit on this type of situation?

	10-03-2003 01:29									#14
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Hmm... this guy actually thought by himself, about the reasons he had to fight.

I'd say he was much too clever for the army indeed

	10-03-2003 01:34									#15
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quote: Hmm... this guy actually thought by himself, about the reasons he had to fight.

I think he thought by himself too late.

	10-03-2003 01:44									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel I think he thought by himself too late.

It is never too late to begin

More seriously, i agree on the fact that, as a soldier, he has to obey orders.
But some people here seem to forget he didn't leave because he was too scared to fight, only because he disagree the reasons for it.

	10-03-2003 01:46									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Menlas But some people here seem to forget he didn't leave because he was too scared to fight, only because he disagree the reasons for it.

That and the recruiters forgot to mention the words war, enemy, shooting or death.

	10-03-2003 02:28									#18
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DD: hehe. What war has to do with the army? lol

	10-03-2003 02:33									#19
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Travis Clark is in the Army's 10th Mountain Division. CT was full of crap when he said Marines.

Damn, and I thought we could ignore him as one of Uncle Sam's Misguided Children.

These people need to have their asses handed to them, but it's a shame that in all the current soft-peddling recruiting emphasis, that we don't weed out gutless *******s like this before wasting training and benefits on them.