09-03-2003 23:33									#1
	Orion Senate.. How to get in ? (if you're not there from the beginneng, that is)... Suffering from ads?

Does anyone know how to get in to the orion senate Midgame ?

I have (good) diplomatic relations with *one* voting member, but can't seem to figure out how to get them to sponsor me into the senate ?

So, should i have special treaties ?
Have diplomatic relations with more voting members ?

	09-03-2003 23:47									#2
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Good Relations with at least two Voting Members would be helpful.

If one Member of the Senate proposes the Bill, it has to be backed by u second Member till it gets into the Voting.
If noone wants to second the Bill it gets rejected.

The second thing you have to take into Consideration is, that you need more Votes behind you than the New Orions possess (more than est. 1000), because IMHO the New Orions will always vote with "Nay" on Bills which intend to bring new Members into the Senate.

	10-03-2003 00:57									#3
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All I can say is, if you're not in the senate from the get go, kill'em all. Your friend will accept the Senate Presidency in a second and then you'll lose. It's good to be friends but it's better to be Master!

	10-03-2003 01:41									#4
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lol If you're not in the Senate to start, do NOT let any non-Antarrean get enough power to become president if you left that victory condition on. You will be beaten soundly for no good reason.

As it stands, I think that presidency alone should not equate to victory. It's not like the New Orions can't beat the bejesus out of you still.

	10-03-2003 05:51									#5
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I got dumped in the senate after defeating a guardian. There was no message about it in the sitrep, but I immediately got asked for input on a senate bill.

It *might* have been some other race sponsoring me coincidentally on the same turn, but given that I was playing ithkul and at war with every other race in the game I consider it unlikely.

	10-03-2003 07:56									#6
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First of all, I saw the new orions propose an induction into the senate and then voted for it... The bastards, I had just hit enough votes to win, then this other more powerful race got put in, so they won (my first game).

Beyond that stroke of luck method, I would say that it might be possible in multiplayer but not against the stupid AI, so kill em all.

	10-03-2003 13:33									#7
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Well, my reason for entering the senate is this :

I (foolishly) forgot to uncheck the Senate victory condition, and are going for sole survivor...

..I wanted to get in the senate to *keep* the Orions in power while i assimilate the rest of the galaxy (their resistance WILL be futile)

I am *the* power in the galaxy, and do not want to loose this game by getting some stupid "XXX was elected president -> you loose"...

	10-03-2003 22:53									#8
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Actually, I believe you need to have two allies in the Senate. One to sponsor you, one to second it. The only time I've been on good terms with two races, I was already in the Senate. When I start out of the Senate, I'm usually in too much of a hurry to explore/expand towards the core to be nice to everyone in my way.

	10-03-2003 23:53									#9
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quote: Originally posted by velkoris I got dumped in the senate after defeating a guardian. There was no message about it in the sitrep, but I immediately got asked for input on a senate bill. It *might* have been some other race sponsoring me coincidentally on the same turn, but given that I was playing ithkul and at war with every other race in the game I consider it unlikely.

I've killed three and no dice. I'm at war with everyone in the Senate but the New Orions and control about 120 planets. I guess they don't want me in because I could win it on the first vote.

	11-03-2003 18:33									#10
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Mhh it seems that at least 3 ppl shall be in senate.. simply kill of till there are only 2 Senatemembers left and presto! ;=)

	11-03-2003 20:30									#11
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I don't think bringing the current senate members down to two will do it...

I recently started a game and the whole Senate consisted only of me and the New Orions... For a while I tried to get others in, but the New Orions simply will never vote for that.

I don't know why, since it would only increase their power and legitimacy as ruler of the galaxy. Not like the 1000 votes were going to be overcome by adding the Rula's 4 planets and eight ships to the Senate.

	12-03-2003 17:29									#12
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I had 3 friends in the senat when i was invited. After i conquerd one of them (they all were colonising inside my borders, but this one had colonized a planet in my HOME SYSTEM, aghh, the unbeareble insult:mad i was kicked out. I was reinvited just in time to vote for president, unfortunatly i was not one of the candidates, despite the fact that i had more votes then all of them. Probably because i was a newcomer. Guess the New Orions just needed my votes.

	12-03-2003 18:08									#13
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I had a game where I was the only one in the senate :-) I expelled everyone until there was I and the New Orions only. Then I killed them and was the only member of the senate :-) I still got the option to vote and the president candidates were me and an empty box :-) Then I voted for the empty box not wanting the game to finish this way :-)

Cool, heh?

	13-03-2003 14:17									#14
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Seems like the Orion senate itself (if you don't want to play with victory rule "orion senate presidency") is almost useless. Seems like even if you do have good relationship with almost everybody in the senate you still don't get any backup for your bill voes. When you get kicked out I've never managed to enter there again otherways than just eliminated all others than your allies on the senate.

	13-03-2003 14:27									#15
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You can get some benefical laws that can help you a little :-) Like increased spaceport efficiency for example.
And if you are the only member, only you will be getting the benefits.

	13-03-2003 18:07									#16
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I often got "Declare Total War on Race x" through the Senate.
Some of them were proposed by myself and some by others (and often seconded by me, if it was a Race I already was at war with). In the End we even successfully issued a bill to declare total War on the New Orions

Aside from this, as bakalov mentioned, there are a lot of beneficial Bills which give you some advantages over Races which are notn in the Senate.