11-03-2003 04:33									#1
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The Pizza thread got me thinking- Pizza is a really standard world food these days, but it's also probably the one which is the most different from nation to nation (although curiously Zanzibar Pizzas and North Yorkshire Pizzas are vaguely similar). What's Pizza like in your country? What toppings does every restaurant have, nearly without exception?

In Sweden, pizzas are thin base serving one person, with tomato pureé and standard rather than "stringy" cheese, and always loads of dried Oregano.

There's a regimented set of named pizzas, each with universially defined ingredients, that nearly every Pizzeria has. Margherita is the standard, just-sauce-and-cheese pizza just like in England, but then there's almost always also Versuvio (just ham), Al Funghi (just mushrooms), Capriciosa (Ham + Mushrooms), La Bussola (Ham + Prawns), Hawaii (Ham + Pineapple), Marinara (Prawns + Mussels), Quattro Stagione (Ham, Prawns, Mushrooms, Artichoke Bottoms, Olives- divided into four specified corners), Opera (Ham + Tuna), Calzone (Ham, folded up), Tefat (Ham, with an extra pizza bottom on top), and Calzone Special (Prawns, Ham and Mushroom, with extra pizza bottom on top).

After this are any number of fancifully named pizzas, often including ones with either pork fillet, kebab meat or high-grade steak on the expensive end of the scale. And, for some reason, bearnaise sauce. Typical highest-end pizza: "House Special (Entrecote, fresh mushrooms, onion, sauce bearnaise, Gorgonzola)". A typical menu has around 40 different named pizzas.

	11-03-2003 04:36									#2
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We do need some sample pizza menus on Apoly.

How can we approach this delicate topic without detail source documentation?

	11-03-2003 04:39									#3
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Pizza in the Us is hardly standardized..there are even these people who claim that a sort of deep dish flaky crust pie with tomato sauce and mozarella is called Pizza. Imagine that.

	11-03-2003 04:43									#4
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Yeah... imagine that

	11-03-2003 04:52									#5
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Oh, I forgot the Orientale (Mince + Onions).

Here's a pretty typical pizza menu: http://www.vikingshockey.com/saraspizza.htm

	11-03-2003 04:52									#6
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I had the best pizza ever coupla days ago. It's hardly standard though. I want more! Maybe I can afford one next month. Don't ask what it cost.


Salmon Rocket
Sliced smoked salmon, crème fraiche, spring onion, tomato sauce and Dolly’s cheese blend. Topped with ruccola and crème fraiche.

	11-03-2003 04:57									#7
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I suppose "pizza stabdardisation" is the same as in sweden. I'm not really a pizza connoisseur though.

btw I think you forgot "Napolitana" - the one with sardines (or anchovies?)

	11-03-2003 05:00									#8
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Skinka is a funny word for ham, by the way. You silly Swedes!

	11-03-2003 05:04									#9
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Here is my favorite San Fran pizza menu. From their logo alone Ming should be able to attest to its legitamacy without even tasting a pie.

http://www.zacharys.com/menu.html

	11-03-2003 05:15									#10
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my worst pizza I had in a beach restaurant.. there was sand in the sauce and they used boiled potato slices instead of cheese. wtf?

	11-03-2003 05:18									#11
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Some of the worst Pizza I've ever had was in Grand Central Station in New York

	11-03-2003 05:22									#12
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The worst pizza I ever had was during a layover at O'Hare airport.

	11-03-2003 05:25									#13
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NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING beats New Haven Pizza.
Amazing thin pizza *drools*

Best toppings are roasted peppers and pineapples of course. The strangest pizza I've had is Bolivian which is fairly thin and tends to use whole tomato slices instead of sauce.

	11-03-2003 05:32									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov The worst pizza I ever had was during a layover at O'Hare airport.

Why would you ever order a pizza OR ANY FOOD in an airport

But I would agree... I've seen the pizza they serve in O'Hare, and would never even consider ordering it...

	11-03-2003 05:34									#15
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I had a voucher for a free lunch due to a cancelled flight.

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quote: Originally posted by Ming Why would you ever order a pizza OR ANY FOOD in an airport But I would agree... I've seen the pizza they serve in O'Hare, and would never even consider ordering it...

The one time I spent any serious amount of time in O'Hare, I was drunk, but still not stupid enough to eat the food.

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quote: Originally posted by Ming Some of the worst Pizza I've ever had was in Grand Central Station in New York

hi ,

well you should have gone to the s'baro in the bus station on 42nd or the one on times square , ...... try those next times

have a nice day

	11-03-2003 05:35									#18
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Some airports have great places to get food. There's a Cheesecake Factory in National Airport...

	11-03-2003 05:37									#19
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , well you should have gone to the s'baro in the bus station on 42nd or the one on times square , ...... try those next times have a nice day

Sbarro?! In New York, you'd dare go to a Sbarro?!

	11-03-2003 05:37									#20
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Then try Pizza out of the station. Consider John's pizza, or the Original Famous Rays..if you ever find the Original...

In NY, all pizza is thin, the best pizza is cooked in a brick oven. As for names, they are not ery standard..you choose the type of pie (in most places, margharita [tomato sauce, mozarella] is the only choice. Other places give you white pies (all cheese), or red pies (no cheese)) and then add topings as you go.

Some of the topings I saw comonly in europe do not appear much in the US. I must say NY is conservative with its pizza..we lack all the crazy toppings the folks in Cali have.

	11-03-2003 05:38									#21
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There's a great restaurant down on Ave. A in the E. Village called "Two Boots," which is a Cajun pizzeria. Having a pizza with cajun spices on it is a unique experience, I guarantee.

	11-03-2003 05:45									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Sbarro?! In New York, you'd dare go to a Sbarro?!

hi ,

why not ?

have a nice day

	11-03-2003 06:12									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Sbarro?! In New York, you'd dare go to a Sbarro?!

Ahhh... another thing we agree on...

HOW COULD YOU GO TO A Sbarro while in New York.
We have them in Chicago as well, and nobody with any real taste would consider eating at one.

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quote: Originally posted by Ming Ahhh... another thing we agree on... HOW COULD YOU GO TO A Sbarro while in New York. We have them in Chicago as well, and nobody with any real taste would consider eating at one.

I was guilty of that once. Right after I got of the train there.

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The only people who eat at Sbarro's in places like New York and Chicago are tourists. Same goes for the cleintele of places like the Olive Garden, TGI Fridays, etc.

Forgive them, they know not what they do...

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quote: Originally posted by Ming Ahhh... another thing we agree on... HOW COULD YOU GO TO A Sbarro while in New York. We have them in Chicago as well, and nobody with any real taste would consider eating at one.

hi ,

well if you give the other pizza shops a look in the bus terminal , .....

when you have the time to wine and dine , yes that you should not go there , ..... but eating pizza from one of those funny looking going chapter 11 , 12 or 13 all the time where the people dont use gloves , nah , then you should go to an sbarro if one is around , ....


, there is a very good pizza place in the upper concord of the staten island ferry ( battery side )

have a nice pizza day

	11-03-2003 06:43									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov The only people who eat at Sbarro's in places like New York and Chicago are tourists. Same goes for the cleintele of places like the Olive Garden, TGI Fridays, etc. Forgive them, they know not what they do...

Iwasn't a tourist, I was hungry. But yes, I know what you are saying.

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	11-03-2003 06:57									#28
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i love amicis east coast pizza in san mateo. so good!

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Some airports have great places to get food. There's a Cheesecake Factory in National Airport...

Both the Seattle and the San Fransisco airports have some great restaurants. The salmon Locks baggle I had in SEA was one of the best I've ever had; they had a tank with live salmon in it which they butchered and served it to you while it was still "warm".

	11-03-2003 20:17									#30
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Pizza in Shanghai is definitely different.

It's usually of the thin variety, and the cheese is (predictably) very mild. Tomato sauce is not a requirement. It's the toppings that are bizzarre, I still don't know what some of them are. Kiwi fruit can be nice.

Chinese takes on other western staples are similarly twisted. "Salad" and "cake" are, I have learned, relative terms. Bread here is sometimes eaten plain, right out of the bag. Mmmm, nothing like a nice, factory-fresh slice of dry, flavor-free food matter. "What, put butter on it? BUTTER? No thanks."

Oh, I miss really good, cheap, home-delivered pizza!

Last edited by mindseye on 11-03-2003 at 20:32