11-03-2003 07:09									#1
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I'm afraid we do not have any winners for the Barb pool.

It is my sad duty to inform the nation that contact with Warrior1 (aka Beta) has been lost. I fear for the worst.

	11-03-2003 07:21									#2
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Since no one seems to be around, I will return in 1 hour to play the turn. Give people a chance to show up if they are so inclined.

	11-03-2003 07:40									#3
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Dire news indeed!

Let us hope and pray for our fallen Warrior; he was a brave lad.

We can also do the same for our other potential hero in that he discovers a wondering group of nomads or an un-discovered fountain of knowledge.

	11-03-2003 07:50									#4
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If we switch to a warrior now we lose shields; but I think we need it.

	11-03-2003 08:16									#5
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Yep, too bad about W1 (Trip did not train him well enough, I suppose). I think we're still okay to go with the Granary, and I would hate to see us lose 10-15 Shields. Tough decision, I'm glad I'm not the one making it! Let's get a conscript from the next Hut, okay?


Dominae

	11-03-2003 08:26									#6
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re another warrior. Too late I fear. We have 10 shields in the bank and the chop is done this turn. 13 shields wasted to build a warrior counting next turns 3. That sort of wastage would cause some coronaries, I am sure.

On the bright side, We will be able to build a new Warrior after the Granery and it will be further south that W1 could have gotten in the same time. How's that for lemonade out of lemons?

	11-03-2003 08:33									#7
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Alas, poor BH, he was close to my heart. Why does fate look down upon us so!!!

	11-03-2003 08:44									#9
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Research set to 100% and changed to Bronze Working. BW in 15.

Build in Apolyton switched to Granery (10 turns less 10 shields from chop ~8 turns).

Warrior 2 moves 3 and pops hut... 3 Etruscan Warriors, angry looking, want to play. Sometimes it sucks to be us.

I believe coast has been spotted 3 3 from W2.

Of note, the diplo screen shows a single circle with the question mark over the black silhouette. Anyone ever figure out what that means, exactly?

	11-03-2003 08:57									#12
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Warrior 2 moves 3 and pops hut... 3 Etruscan Warriors, angry looking, want to play. Sometimes it sucks to be us.

One can only hope the others are having similar luck.

	11-03-2003 09:55									#13
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Unfortunately, Murphy's law tends to smile only upon one.

But trust me, it could be worse...

	11-03-2003 10:01									#14
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It doesn't show us the battles we lost inbetween turns? It would be nice to know if there is 1 or 3 barbs left up N.

	11-03-2003 12:26									#15
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Dire news, indeed...

I only slowly realize how unbelievably lucky Lego was with its huts (we got NO barbs at all and five techs... talk about being lucky).

But even considering my SP experience, a luck this bad is a bit rare, even though not unseen...

I, too, believe that we should stick to the granary plan. Wasting so many shields to get one more explorer is not justified.

Oh well...

P.S.: Aeson, in PBEM games, you have no way to see how battles proceeded, you only see their outcome... with other human opponents, you can arrange that battle reports are relayed (which is what we proposed at the 1BC UN), but I seriously doubt we could make an arrangement like this with barbarians...

	11-03-2003 12:44									#16
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Of note, the diplo screen shows a single circle with the question mark over the black silhouette. Anyone ever figure out what that means, exactly?

Can someone post the save so that I can look at what he's talking about?

Thanks.

	11-03-2003 14:19									#17
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5 techs!? How many huts was that?... at ~20% - ~30% odds for a tech... you guys should have bought some Lottery tickets instead of opening those huts!

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That really bites about not being able to see battles in PBEM.

	11-03-2003 14:47									#18
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See it from the good side, Now we have 6 roaming barbs hunting for explorers in our territory

We should have an ingame bet about what pops out of the next hut.

My bet is ....Map

Jagjef

	11-03-2003 15:13									#19
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Are we planning to wait a significant amount of time before popping the 3rd? We definitely should consider postponing it for at least a few more Warriors. A third set of Barbs could very well end any chance we have for exploration.

My initial run with 5 Barbs wandering around made it very difficult to plan terrain improvements, and that was in DEBUG mode where I could see where each of them was at all times. Of course I lost the second warrior as well, so hopefully we can do better.

	11-03-2003 15:34									#20
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Of note, the diplo screen shows a single circle with the question mark over the black silhouette. Anyone ever figure out what that means, exactly?

This shows up whenever your player a MP game. Either on-line or PBEM or whatever; and you haven't met anyone yet. It shows that there are un-met Civ(s). You can see how many oppents/Civ's you have and what their nations are anyways by the score on the screen. Why they have a placeholder in the Diplo screen when you haven't met anyone yet(officially) I do not know. They don't use it in SP games at all.

	11-03-2003 16:19									#21
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quote: Originally posted by jagjef See it from the good side, Now we have 6 roaming barbs hunting for explorers in our territory We should have an ingame bet about what pops out of the next hut. My bet is ....Map Jagjef

Or a deserted village.

	11-03-2003 16:45									#22
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Gold.

	11-03-2003 17:25									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Dominae Yep, too bad about W1 (Trip did not train him well enough, I suppose

Are we sure Trip didnt just disband him ???


Sorry - couldnt help myself.




Umm - My guess for the 3rd hut is...abandoned

	11-03-2003 21:52									#24
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quote: P.S.: Aeson, in PBEM games, you have no way to see how battles proceeded, you only see their outcome... with other human opponents, you can arrange that battle reports are relayed (which is what we proposed at the 1BC UN), but I seriously doubt we could make an arrangement like this with barbarians...

Close, the last player of the pack, does see the barbarian battles before saving.

IE the barbs have the last turn.
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Don't change the build queue for now, go for that granry first.

	11-03-2003 21:55									#25
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quote: Originally posted by alva Close, the last player of the pack, does see the barbarian battles before saving.

Correct, forgot to mention this. I can see the barbarians attacking our units (or GoW's galley... as last turn ) when playing Lego turns.

But as we are not the last one in the loop, we can see nothing in ISDG.

	11-03-2003 23:06									#26
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ack!

That was not the screenshot I was hoping for.

I hate to lose a unit so eary. This is terrible.

This starting position is going to be hell to work though.

	11-03-2003 23:52									#27
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We're going to save the third hut for later. We've tempted fate enough with the first two huts, and I don't see why it wouldn't deal us a final kick in the nuts.

With our defense and exploration forces so strained right now, a few Warriors wouldn't be a bad idea. However, the core of our efforts now will have to be the 8 turn NM-Settler combos. Let's hope the MoI can deliver what it's promised...

	12-03-2003 02:37									#28
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My question now, assuming the 2nd warrior survives, do we bring it back close to Apolyton. I would almost think we have to. I am worried that building another warrior after the granary will hurt our initial expansion.

	12-03-2003 03:11									#29
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Building a fourth Warrior after the Granary will put us back 2 turns of expansion, without loss of Food or any other detrimental effect. This is in contrast to the "W4 before the Granary" plan, which came at some extra sacrifice, no matter what. Although I would like to expand as fast as possible, another Warrior after the Granary is probably a good idea.


Dominae

	12-03-2003 05:42									#30
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The sounding of the drums was incessantly loud. "Boom. Boom. Boom." Warrior BetaHound looked around leerily, seeing no one. "Any one home?" He asked in a slightly shaking voice.

"I know this tribe-camp with many goodies- but I see none."

"Boom. Boom. Boom." The sound drew near. BetaHound retreated to a high spot to see what was causing the noise.

He looked around the plateau and frowned. "Barbarians." He muttered, seeing three tall warriors in front of him, approaching in an ellipse pattern.

"No goodies." He spat and drew his club. "Smash time begin now." He readied for the assault.

*

"We lost him?" Foreign Minister Togas peered into the volumnious report that Consul Ninot had just handed him.
"Damn." Markos G., Ruler of Apolyton cursed and clenched his fist.
"He wasn't the brightest of them all, but he was the bravest explorer we had." Ninot sighed.
"We will kill ten barbarians for every one of our men felled." Vondrack declared haughtily, raising his head. "I myself will raise an army for this purpose-" Consul vondrack stormed out of the room, intent on accomplishing his purpose.
"The ... Etruscans ... must pay." Consul notyoueither seethed, folding his hands and nodding his head conspiratorially. "As... must... those... responsible." His eyes drifted towards the fuming Minister of War.

Minister of War, Trip cracked his big administrative stick over his knee. "BetaHound was my best. He should have been invincible- now he has stirred up opposition in the north!
Why did he have to stumble across that lost tribe on the peninsula! Three against one! How could he have met the opposition. We must train more to avenge him and to avenge the cause!"

"Perhaps... someone else should... train others..." Consul notyoueither frowned.

"No, I support Trip." Markos waved notyoueither down. "He could not have predicted those barbarians."

"Perhaps... perhaps not." Consul notyoueither replied, shrugging nonchalantly. "Perhaps..."

"But he will eliminate the threat now that it is present." Markos declared.

"I propose negotiation." Togas stated, hand flying out of his toga to make a pointing finger in the air.

"We will not... negotiate... with barbarians. They are not... civilized." Consul notyoueither spat.

"I am sad to say, Minister Ninot, that we will not negotiate with barbarians." Markos stated, shaking his head. "We cannot afford them that legitimacy."

Ninot sighed, then bowed.

Meanwhile

" Aaaaaaaahahahahahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
hhh" Warrior bigfree1 screamed and collapsed.
"Me Thug." The first Barbarian, stepping out of his hut, laughed.
"He Ug." A second Barbarian, this one a female, pointed to a third, just emerging from over a hill behind bigfree1.
"She Zug." The first Barbarian pointed toward the female, then spoke at greater lengths- "Perhaps you meet our northern cousins- Huey, Dewey and Louie?"

Bigfree1 continued to scream.

"Perhaps not?" Thug unstrung his club and made for bigfree1.

*

"Another attack!" King Markos was horrified.
"Yes, your excellency." Togas bowed low to his liege.
"We must immediately cease work on the Granary and produce another warrior!" Markos rose, screaming, holding a hand steady in the air.
"He is not dead yet-" Ninot pointed out.
"Nor will he be." Trip declared. "He knows what to do."
A loud scream cut through the assembly. "Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"
"What was that?" King Markos asked.
"Nothing." Trip answered quickly... almost too quickly.
"Sound... does... carry so... does it not?" Notyoueither grinned wolfishly.
Trip snarled, hand going to his broken stick.
Notyoueither laughed.

"Good Sirs!" The Minister of Internal Affairs held up his hands, putting an end to the squabbling.
"Please consider the facts.

"We have a warrior to defend our nation- remember Alva."

All gathered nodded grudgingly.

"Well, please realize that we do not wish to set our nation back futher by switching from a granary at this point of time." Dominae continued.
"And I truly believe that Alva can handle the defenses."
"I can vouch for that!" Consul Ninot raised an eager hand.
"Yes, truly." Dominae nodded, acknowledging the interruption, then continued, "Perhaps we should produce another Warrior after the Granary. It would only set our "master plan" back two turns or so... and provide us much needed protection."

The gathered nodded, considering the proposal

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