07-04-2003 23:17									#61
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BTW, that ridge is defended by around 3 spears, 2 swords, and a couple of odd units (a catapult, e.g.) per tile right now. I wish I had more time to construct fortresses, I started on one the moment I got construction, but I do not have the luxury of suffocating in workers, like Nathan has. Don't blame it on poor gaming skills, but my terrain does not support it, I had Alex to keep happy / away, and I build the GL instead. A few turns delay of this war would have meant a totally different defensive situation, the hill without a road is set to build a city next turn (again, 1 turn too late to be useful, 2 turns too late to be superb.)

DeepO

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	07-04-2003 23:32									#62
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quote: Originally posted by alexman Mr. Glory of War, I got a different moral story of the day: get along with your neighbors early, instead of hampering both yours and their expansion, while the rest of the world cooperates and prospers!

Very true, Alex. But I realised too late how peaceful the other 2 were. I have to apologise, as I fear that your faith has been signed as well. I'll do my best to keep all forces off your territory, but I need lady fortune to stand ground.

BTW, how are those reinforcements coming

DeepO

	08-04-2003 01:29									#63
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quote: Originally posted by DeepO BTW, how are those reinforcements coming

Very nicely. Thanks for asking. Oh, I'm sorry, I wasn't the one you were talking to?

My condolences to the families of the valiant sword unit that seems to have been assigned the job of pillaging the road. I wish I could say their deaths were painless, but, well, we did our best to kill them cleanly. In any case, they did prolong the lives of many of their fellows. (I'm curious, though: why swordsmen instead of spearmen for that job?)

But they were able to do nothing about my war chariots. I was pleasantly surprised at how well my charioteers did against fortified two-defense units on a hill, but I didn't have quite enough of them. Four Chinese units on the eastern hill survived, all with one hit point left.

To Alva.

	09-04-2003 03:15									#64
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Auch, that is an impressive amount of units.

to little china.

	18-04-2003 04:02									#65
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So is the outcome of the war so certain that we decided not to play it out?

	06-05-2003 02:31									#66
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Did this game die?

Another destructive PTW bug that kills everyone's fun?

	06-05-2003 02:35									#67
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More like DeepO didn't want to worry about the war here and Gathering Storm's war at the same time. Now that GS is on hold, though, is there any reason we can't start it back? My impression is that DeepO is still sitting on the save.

	06-05-2003 03:40									#68
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Wasn't DeepO into DeepO trouble on this one

	06-05-2003 23:32									#69
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Sorry, you're right. Now, I can't keep using the excuse of the GS war to avoid my own doom

But, sorry, it'll have to wait till tomorrow, or later this night if I find the time, right now I can't...

DeepO

	07-05-2003 19:40									#70
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What version are you using?

	07-05-2003 22:28									#71
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So far still the 1.14 version

	09-05-2003 00:11									#72
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Turn to Alexman. The beating continues, but I just built a new city. As said before, if this war would have started 2 turns later, I might have had a chance. Now? Not really.

But the RNG gods don't favor the underdogs, it seems. most if not all of Nathan's WCs survived their attack against fortified spears on hills, while my swords are less succesful against their swords on hills. I think I only killed 2, but lost a couple more Sure, you can win like that, pheh

DeepO

	09-05-2003 00:14									#73
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Oh, BTW, I just build the first part of my palace, I think (didn't I build my lawn earlier when completing the GL?)

DeepO

	09-05-2003 04:44									#74
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You should have built more palace and not lawn. Those War Chariots may ruin the lawn when they enter the premises.

290 B.C. sent

	09-05-2003 07:51									#75
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From the Egyptian Bureau of War:

Chinese forces put up a valiant but futile fight for the hill outside their new city. Egyptian swordsmen captured two bands of workers (including one of Arabian slaves) and a Chinese catapult as the fighting wound to an end. Casualties were a bit lighter than expected. A probing raid on the city itself by war chariots led to the loss of a unit on each side.

Turn to Alva.

	09-05-2003 18:42									#76
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	10-05-2003 17:51									#77
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Bah. This game is lost, unless the RNG Gods start to favour me instead of Nathan. Up until now, there was still a slim chance I could hold him back until Alex' reinforcements arrived, but with last turn, that small hope has been swept under the table.

I had to disbandon my new city, the same moment as building my walls. But, with the last attack, there was no hope in defending it against all the units that were a direct threat. So, I'm retreating my forces to the next defendable position.

If this pace continues, I'll be defeated in less then 10 turns, so please, RNG gods, give me some slack. I won't win this game, I've been knowing that for months, but this beating is uncalled for.

DeepO

	10-05-2003 18:00									#78
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My heart goes out to you DeepO

	11-05-2003 01:54									#79
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From the Egyptian War Bureau:

A brave but foolish band of Chinese horsemen, in spite of their serious injuries from an earlier battle, pillaged a road in front of our glorious advance. They were, of course, dispatched by a war chariot unit since their pillaging left them with insufficient movement to reach the safety of the nearby Chinese town. Whether the war chariots will survive remains to be seen; they probably will not if any healthy Chinese horsemen are in the area. The Army Corps of Engineers has, of course, moved into position to repair the damage.

Turn to Alva.

	11-05-2003 04:52									#80
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I've sent a red-cross team to check if everything is being done by international law, alas they have seem to come to late
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	11-05-2003 14:08									#81
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That War Chariot was a hard one But in the end, he netted me my first promotion

I just made my another small mistake, that I could have easily avoided with a bit more attention. I used a couple of workers to boost a cities population, but forgot to check happiness... it went in rebellion Stupid of course, it would have been another unit produced this turn instead of next, and those extra units matter.

Before, I already made a mistake (as Nathan said), which I didn't want to comment on at the time: I used a sword to pillage the road after the initial attack on the invasion forces, where I still has a spear to use. But, it would have been better to use a horse, and retreat him undamaged, The only way of dealing with a SoD over double your total army is to try to whittle it down over many turns. That sword could have served me we well for a couple of turns, it was not worth it to have one more horse attack that turn.

BTW, I'm not so sure anymore on disbanding a reg warrior to rush walls in my new, already abandoned city. An extra sword, instead of walls would have costed me less. It was a gamble, though, if I would have gotten more lucky in the fights I would have been in a position to hold it for 1 more turn at least, thus disturbing Nathan's Blitz.

Turn to Alex.

DeepO

	12-05-2003 06:09									#82
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From the Egyptian War Bureau:

Counterattacks by Chinese horsemen continue, striking and fading back if they survive. Egyptian war chariots dispatched a Chinese spear unit posted on a hill as observers, with two war chariot units injured but none lost. A large force is now adjacent to a Chinese city, and we wait to see whether China will attempt to hold this time or will follow the same scorched earth policy they did the last time we threatened one of their towns.

Turn to Alva.

	12-05-2003 06:14									#83
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Question for Alex and DeepO: When did the two of you make peace? Is your situation a counterexample where peace lasted longer than 20 turns without a bug biting? If so (and assuming it won't give away anything of strategic importance), were there any payments of any kind attached to the peace treaty?

	12-05-2003 20:38									#84
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no comments on the war situation yet, but as to our peace: We made peace without any further payments, I think, and it ended many turns ago without any problems... the bug certainly doesn't happen all the times.

However, maybe there is a difference in how war was declared: in the GoW - Vox case, GoW declared war to Vox through negotiations, not by attacking a unit like Alex did to me. Plus, they declared peace again without any fight, GoW couldn't reach Vox in time. This certainly is different from the war between Alex and myself.

DeepO

	13-05-2003 04:13									#85
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That was a short war wsn't it (GoW and VOX)? Perhaps it only happens when is peace is declared to fast? Is Sp, you can't get peace after just the one or two turns, maybe that 's where the problem lies? Just a thought

Turn to DeepO.

	20-05-2003 21:53									#86
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Sorry for the delay, guys, but I fear it won't improve soon. Too much to do, too little time

As to the war: I did not retreat from this city, I'll either hold it, or die trying. I do not have the forces to protect another position(s), so either I keep this one, or it's officially game over for me (I'll play along as long as needed for other players, of course).

Actually, I'm starting to doubt we should continue this, even if I can hold on, there is no way I can make any kind of difference in power, Nathan will finish before me for sure. And it doesn't look like any of the other players can beat him, not in his GA... it's too late to band together with 3 against 1, and that was what it would have taken to beat Nathan after his GA (at least as long as neither of the 3-move UUs can get GA production).

That's my opinion, of course, others might think differently, but I think the game is over for everyone.

DeepO

	21-05-2003 23:26									#87
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From the Egyptian War Bureau:

Valiant Chinese defenders barely held against the first Egyptian attack on their city. Reinforcements moved in in an effort to ensure that the Chinese victory will be only a temporary one.

	23-05-2003 04:49									#88
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To DeepO.