12-03-2003 08:42									#1
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With the scathing reviews coming each day, it is becoming harder and harder to remain positive about the game. I've stopped playing for a bit because it has seemed little more than star exploration so far with little military action. My attempts at multiplayer have not worked because I keep getting an unexplained "Version Mismatch" error!

I realize a patch doesn't happen overnight. But please fix the game soon so we can enjoy Mo03 and stop griping over what went wrong!

The longer it takes for a patch, the more believable the critics are going to be....and I hate being proven wrong! I want to like it...I'm almost there....just please make t hose needed AI/military/diplomacy/multiplayer tweaks that will have me playing Mo03 until there is Mo04 (or MoM2)!

	12-03-2003 13:44									#2
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screw the critics!

This is MOO!!!!!

It can only get better and if people cant be patient and stop crying like little girls fighting over a barbie doll during recess---well---screw them too.

Some people dont understand how long and how much effort has to go into making and testing a patch, getting the OK from their superiors, and finally putting it on a web page to DL. I am sure they are working their butts off--OR-- taking a week or two well deserved break before continueing. In either case if people would just shut the hell up and let them do their work and stop crying about the same things over and over--it would be better for everyone.

Not directed at you but the impatient people out there.

	12-03-2003 14:26									#3
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Between the promises and the history, people expected a lot, and didn't get it. They have every right to complain.

	12-03-2003 20:14									#4
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I don't expect to see a patch until it addresses all the major criticisms players have levelled at the game (manual, encyclopedia, diplomacy, AI aggression) and does so pretty well. QS have already stated their aim is to get the first patch right.

For those people who want fast and dirty patching to imporve their playing experience immediately there are a wealth of user mods.

	12-03-2003 21:39									#5
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I agree with The Mad Monk,

People endured several release date delays encouraged by QSs' promises that the game would deliver bug free. While the game did load up relatively bug free it is the opinion of many that something just wasn't there with this game.

Hopefully things will iron themselves out, meanwhile bravo to those who enjoy the game for you are truely Moo fans. To those who are not happy with this game (myself included) it is a bitter lesson that from now on game companies cannot be trusted and that shopping for computer games now must be done with great care and patience.

	13-03-2003 00:02									#6
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by Magus Flynn
My attempts at multiplayer have not worked because I keep getting an unexplained "Version Mismatch" error!

Hi I read yesterday that if you have downloaded the extra flags & the computer you are trying to connect to did not, then you will get the above error .

	13-03-2003 02:00									#7
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Any mod will give the above error...

	13-03-2003 12:09									#8
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quote: Originally posted by SINISTER1974 screw the critics! This is MOO!!!!! It can only get better and if people cant be patient and stop crying like little girls fighting over a barbie doll during recess---well---screw them too. Some people dont understand how long and how much effort has to go into making and testing a patch, getting the OK from their superiors, and finally putting it on a web page to DL. I am sure they are working their butts off--OR-- taking a week or two well deserved break before continueing. In either case if people would just shut the hell up and let them do their work and stop crying about the same things over and over--it would be better for everyone. Not directed at you but the impatient people out there.

Some people don't understand how long (it takes) and how much effort has to go into making and testing a GOOD, BALANCED GAME either.

Elrikk (impatient as always)

	13-03-2003 12:45									#9
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Some people don't understand how long (it takes) and how much effort has to go into beating the game without a senate victory...

Turn 370... this is getting rediculous and extremely tedious...

	13-03-2003 15:07									#10
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You should be able to get an X win by turn 300 if you want it. I don't think I'll ever complete a 'sole survivor' game because eradicating the last 200 planets when I already own 400 is just too tedious in this or any other game.

	14-03-2003 00:38									#11
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quote: You should be able to get an X win by turn 300 if you want it. I don't think I'll ever complete a 'sole survivor' game because eradicating the last 200 planets when I already own 400 is just too tedious in this or any other game.

Whats funny is that this is exactly what a lot of people asked them to do. Many people wanted even bigger universes than moo2. They got them.

	14-03-2003 01:07									#12
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I'm on turn 400 and I just got my first X. I've been researching it for twenty turns, which seems excessive for the amount of research I produce. I'll probably be able to win Sole Survivor before I get all the X's.

	14-03-2003 16:15									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Kc7mxo Whats funny is that this is exactly what a lot of people asked them to do. Many people wanted even bigger universes than moo2. They got them.

Don't get me wrong, I love the big universes. The macromanagement means you can concentrate on your primary 5, 10 or 20 worlds (your preference) and let the rest run itself. I'd still like a "we surrender to the warlord of Orion" win when you are obviously the most powerful player no matter how large or small the playing field is. The masochists can reject their surrender and go on to squash every last one if they want to, but with no highscore table its pretty pointless to do so.

	14-03-2003 16:21									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Harry Seldon I'm on turn 400 and I just got my first X. I've been researching it for twenty turns, which seems excessive for the amount of research I produce. I'll probably be able to win Sole Survivor before I get all the X's.

Its a matter of industrial capacity and war status. It becomes possible to send out unlimited numbers of X expeditions as soon as your economy can cope. By turn 250 I can normally cheerfully send packs of my older ships out to search with a few custom built recon ships with research labs to lead the way.

I usually have at least three or four expeditions dispatched before the first one succeeds or dies. The fiddly bit is ensuring that you have the right balance of ships in your reserves so that the automatic selector is likely to pick 3 or so of your specialist recon ships and a mix of other stuff.

The time it takes to research a returned X is a bit random. I don't think it has much to do with research capacity at all. More likely a window for other races to attempt to sabotage your research (assuming the capture of X's held by other players works as implied.)

	15-03-2003 14:18									#15
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Official QS Patch Information:

Yes, work is in progress on a patch. We have no delivery date at this time.

We are concentrating on the Military AI (offensive, defensive and build queue) and point defense problems, along with some UI glitches and any crash or easy to fix bugs. Changes which require any artwork are extremely unlikely for this patch.

The plan is to release a data-only patch fairly quickly which should help with some of the Military AI problems (and other things) and may also contain some additional documentation on use of the spreadsheets to help the modders.

This will be followed by a code patch. Code changes will be listed here as they are verified internally, so that you know what is coming.

The actual release of the patches will be controlled by the QA departments at Infogrames (for Windows) and Destineer (for Macintosh).

We are happy to hear constructive feedback from fans regarding bugs of design issues and have been listening to feedback from a number of fans, both off and on the boards.

From:
http://www.ina-community.com/forums...threadid=277756

	15-03-2003 14:38									#16
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Will this include the use of right-clicking in all the locations where it would minimize the number of total clicks? How about making the site rep screen more organized (like grouping research and etc. tasks together in a single green box rather than multiple colour boxes that cause lots of scrolling).

For example instead of

****************************
* BlahTechnology has opened up *
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...

Just do
*************************************
* The following technologies have opened up *
* - Blah 1 *
* - Blah 2 *
* - Blah 3 *
*************************************

This saves space and you can do this for techs that have opened up, all the techs that have been discovered in one turn.

You can also avoid uses a red box for creative races (just put it in brackets in the single research box instead since they will be grouped).

I would also recommend seperating military items built at various planets from structural ones because often times I like to check out my military queues but leave the other ones. If they were seperated in 2 boxes (instead of N boxes), it would be much easier than sifting through them). I mean, sorting and grouping items is very easy to program guys. This really needs to be done and it shouldn't take more than an hour or two to do.

Last edited by egervari on 15-03-2003 at 14:46

	29-03-2003 13:39									#17
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egervari - Great idea!

	01-04-2003 20:35									#18
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One thing you can say about the speed of their patching:

Its certainly helping GalCiv's sales.

For me though, somewhere inside this monstrosity is the game I want. GalCiv's lack of combat is a big turn off for me.

I find their continued references to testing and quality to be pure BS. Certainly this product shows no quality control.

They could put out "beta" patches and get us to test it for them. Anyone who didn't want to take the risk wouldn't have too. Of course, then they'd have to listen to more negative feed back.

I personally don't like the "modding" concept, I don't want to have to spend as much time tweaking a mod to work as playing the game.

	01-04-2003 21:07									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Ghostbear One thing you can say about the speed of their patching: Its certainly helping GalCiv's sales.

The QS guys are probably playing GalCiv instead of doing the patch.

	01-04-2003 21:15									#20
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Some people think that patching will make the game into what you want? Granting it will most likely help the AI of the computer players so that they are not so passive and maybe a few other things, but many of the major problems of Master of Orion 3 lies in its design and how it was made, stuff you cant change with patches.

I exepected a lot from master of Orion III, from all I read and heard and all the time they spent I though it would be a game that I would want to play everyday, but only after a week my copy of Master of Orion III is sitting in my room collecting dust. They really screwed up Master of Orion. At least there is GalCiv.

	02-04-2003 02:17									#21
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I agree Jack_www

Good luck and have fun to those who like the game for you are truely a better gamer than I..........however to those who share my opinion of this utter tragedy I say, grab GalCiv!!!!!!!!!!

	02-04-2003 02:23									#22
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Go troll somewhere else Templar. And what people think that Jack? We're just waiting on an official AI fix and the pd bug fix mainly, i'd imagine the wait is because of them sprucing up a few other things too, but i'd personally be happy with just a quick release of the AI/PD fix. I also don't see why everyone views GalCiv as the alternative to the next MoO game.

No tactical combat, no ship design, limited number of races, only one playable race, ground combat invovles sending billions of regular population into far flung corners of the galaxy, limited amount of resources, planets only have one resource, random events cannot be turned off, all races colonize same planets, etc..

Sure, its more of a Civ in space but its lacking civ elements too. The terrain improvements that are so important in Civ are reduced to one square starbases. You improve nothing else. Why not allow you to build trade lanes or star gates? Immobile satellites maybe? The "borders" consits of your sector getting colored, its not even the flowing borders of SMAC/Civ3. The graphics are Civ2 era at best, and space is bland.

Where are the nebluaes, asteroid fields and other various solar debris? Where is the important of terrain? You can't hide in the non-existant asteroid fields, or shield yourself in a nebulae, its just annoying. The game does have some good qualitys, but its not close to MoO and falls short of Civ. The reason the AI is so great is because theres just not much for it to think about.

	02-04-2003 02:30									#23
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quote: Originally posted by ChaotikVisions Go troll somewhere else Templar.

Where? Under a bridge? I think I'll just complain about the lack of a patch right here in the MoO3 General Forum, thank you.

GalCiv is less feature-rich, but right now its also a hell of alot more fun.

	02-04-2003 02:40									#24
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Under a bridge sounds good, i've heard of mountain trolls too so you could try that. I don't see how saying "The QS guys are probably off playing GalCiv" equals "I wish the patch would come out for MoO3". Maybe its one of thost subtle things I keep missing, but it seemed more of a troll then anything else. Like any game you want, just please don't troll for other games in this forum. There is a GalCiv forum you know.

	02-04-2003 04:48									#25
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quote: Originally posted by ChaotikVisions Under a bridge sounds good, i've heard of mountain trolls too so you could try that. I don't see how saying "The QS guys are probably off playing GalCiv" equals "I wish the patch would come out for MoO3". Maybe its one of thost subtle things I keep missing, but it seemed more of a troll then anything else. Like any game you want, just please don't troll for other games in this forum. There is a GalCiv forum you know.

It was sarcasm. I know the generation Y needs a smiley to alert it to sarcasm, otherwiser Y-ers will read everything literally.

Guess I'm a forum troll. Do something about it.

	02-04-2003 05:36									#26
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Well at least you admit to it, some trolls think they actually have valid arguements or even worse well thought out opinions. Glad you're not one. In either case, i'm sure it will help people to know wether to just ignore you in the future or not, thanks.

	02-04-2003 08:16									#27
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quote: Originally posted by ChaotikVisions Well at least you admit to it, some trolls think they actually have valid arguements or even worse well thought out opinions. Glad you're not one. In either case, i'm sure it will help people to know wether to just ignore you in the future or not, thanks.

Don't take it out on me just because you're waiting for a patch to fix a broken game.

	02-04-2003 11:08									#28
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Well facts are facts, the game is messed up big time, and most people think, just look at the sales of MOO3, they are falling like a rock, and a patch wont save it. I dont hate Moo3 but it should have been a whole lot better then what we got.

	02-04-2003 12:40									#29
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Here in Germany MOO3 is on Place 7 of the Sales Chart
Of course it isnīt like being on the Top of the Tops (where, at the moment, SPlinter Cell resides) but itīs Top Ten, so at least in Germany the sales wonīt be so bad

As for the Patch:
The List of fixes looks very promising and there obviously will be a lot more fixed than just the AI or PD.
For example the Click fest which ensured if you wanted to access the build-menu of a planet will be a thing of the past.
And you will see the Envoironmental preferences for your magnate races.

After all, many annoying thing of the game will get more streamlined.
For the complete list of fixes look here:
http://www.ina-community.com/forums...threadid=277756

	02-04-2003 13:15									#30
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quote: Originally posted by ChaotikVisions I also don't see why everyone views GalCiv as the alternative to the next MoO game. No tactical combat, no ship design, limited number of races, only one playable race, ground combat invovles sending billions of regular population into far flung corners of the galaxy, limited amount of resources, planets only have one resource, random events cannot be turned off, all races colonize same planets, etc.. Sure, its more of a Civ in space but its lacking civ elements too. The terrain improvements that are so important in Civ are reduced to one square starbases. You improve nothing else. Why not allow you to build trade lanes or star gates? Immobile satellites maybe? The "borders" consits of your sector getting colored, its not even the flowing borders of SMAC/Civ3. The graphics are Civ2 era at best, and space is bland. Where are the nebluaes, asteroid fields and other various solar debris? Where is the important of terrain? You can't hide in the non-existant asteroid fields, or shield yourself in a nebulae, its just annoying. The game does have some good qualitys, but its not close to MoO and falls short of Civ. The reason the AI is so great is because theres just not much for it to think about.

If what you say is so then you pretty much made my mind up on whether to buy GalCiv. Looks like I may just skip it.