14-03-2003 08:01									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Dominae 244 will not have access to the Game tile, does not chop any Jungle for free, and sort of messes up the positioning of all the other cities if we hope to make maximum use of the River. Dominae

I was under the impression our 2nd city would have access to the game tile as well. Pivoting the tile between 3 cities is not necessary to ensure our survival. I can see a case being made for the other two points, but we will have to see...

	14-03-2003 08:43									#32
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Having 3 cities with access to the Game is helpful though. It opens up a lot of possible production queue's that wouldn't be available otherwise. In my first run through, I shared the Game tile quite a bit with city 3. There are some points where faster growth just doesn't make sense in one city or the other.

	14-03-2003 08:49									#33
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Trip, can you explain why you care so much about blocking CDG's exploration of the north?

There's not much to see or do there... It's kinda like Buffalo; their Warrior scout would come back fat and wearing polyester pants... is that what you are worried about?

Re military defense versus expansion:

Production = number of good tiles in use over x number of turns.

I think very few people really understand how powerful (a Pillar) this is, especially very early in the game.

	14-03-2003 08:56									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus Trip, can you explain why you care so much about blocking CDG's exploration of the north? There's not much to see or do there... It's kinda like Buffalo; their Warrior scout would come back fat and wearing polyester pants... is that what you are worried about?

It's a very important diplomatic edge. Not knowing what the other team is capable of, while giving them the impression you could be holding a few aces in your hand is a very powerful tool. If they believe we're capable of pumping out NMs from 5 cities with cattle, rivers and hills with gold as opposed to a bunch of useless hills and desert, how do you think that will affect their mid-range strategy towards us?

quote: Re military defense versus expansion: Production = number of good tiles in use over x number of turns. I think very few people really understand how powerful (a Pillar) this is, especially very early in the game.

Military = the factor with which we can make sure we won't be leaving the game early.

I've been rather supportive of MoI policies so far, but there's a point at which I must put my foot down. Mainly due to my experience, I know "the edge" in a big MP game like this a bit better than most people would.

	14-03-2003 09:04									#35
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Somehow I don't think that military expansion is the answer- we aren't really in a very good position to expand militarily... but we have the resources to hole up and keep a good defense on the peninsula- expand in an arrow pattern and make an interweaving web of cities and we can win culturally or free-marketly

	14-03-2003 09:07									#36
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quote: Originally posted by DarkCloud Somehow I don't think that military expansion is the answer- we aren't really in a very good position to expand militarily... but we have the resources to hole up and keep a good defense on the peninsula- expand in an arrow pattern and make an interweaving web of cities and we can win culturally or free-marketly

Worrying about your military involves more than planning of offensive maneuvers, you realize...

	14-03-2003 09:16									#37
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If they have anyone familiar with the scoring system on their team, they will be able to guess at what terrain we are using with at least some accuracy.

I agree that if they don't see the N, it's better for us. Realize if we don't see the S, it's better for them. If we block them off N and continue S ourselves or vice versa... that's where trouble lies.

	14-03-2003 09:20									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Aeson If they have anyone familiar with the scoring system on their team, they will be able to guess at what terrain we are using with at least some accuracy. I agree that if they don't see the N, it's better for us. Realize if we don't see the S, it's better for them. If we block them off N and continue S ourselves or vice versa... that's where trouble lies.

They won't pass our cultural borders. It'd be willing to bet that the southern part of the continent is much wider than our potential chokepoint. They will (and can) not stop us from exploring if the continent is too wide.

	14-03-2003 09:34									#39
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And how come you are sure they won't pass our cultural borders to get to the N anyways?

	14-03-2003 09:36									#40
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I voted "1", it's a flexible strategy for now.

	14-03-2003 09:38									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Aeson And how come you are sure they won't pass our cultural borders to get to the N anyways?

Because if they do so, they risk diplomatically angering us a great deal. And do not say that "if they pass by a 1 tile wide pass that they will be doing something just as bad," because there is a difference. That's the problem. People like Togas and myself know from experience that the distinction between cultural border and lack of is a very big one.

With GhengisFarb on their team, this assumtion becomes even more accurate, because he will tell them about the troubles caused between GoW and RP over this issue.

	14-03-2003 09:52									#42
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I voted 4 although in reality I would like a combination of 3 and 4. I think Carthage would do best with a passive defense for the moment and concentrate on expansion and infrastructure.

But if we must fight... there'll be a merZENary with my name on it

	15-03-2003 16:56									#43
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Actually, I would not call a Numidian Master merZENary (2.3.1) "passive defence". It is more like "active defence", and can even be used offensively. So option 4 can be a bit more subtle than it seems. Sorry for confusing anyone.

Well, the attack value of 2 is just great in the beginning.
(would be bit of an expensive attack force ,though)

	15-03-2003 17:47									#44
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Why not a little active defense in the middle of Persian land?

"We're conducting routine training manuevers here."

"That's our game square you're training on!"

"Yeah? Try and move us, then."

"Eat archer!"
::Nummie steps back onto hill::
"Okay, I did. What's for dessert?"

THAT, my friends, is the true power of Carthage.



I know there are good reasons not to do this, but if the situation changes (other allies foremost amongst them)......

	15-03-2003 18:40									#45
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I must say I like your intentions, Fried-Psitalon.
We should enjoy using the merc actively for getting as many kills we can. What bothers me is that huge jungle, and those Malarian Muskitoors. (huge pink mosqitos having gunpowder)


NB: There has been a damn huge jungle on every friggin DG we had here. What's the setup on this game?
Is there a banana-mayhem mode in these games?

	15-03-2003 21:38									#46
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1,1,1,1,1,1

	15-03-2003 23:48									#47
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well, F-P started a thread on considering war with CDG and I've been pretty much backing him up with my own little share of McCarthyism (fear those Immortals!!!)

All I'm saying is that being Carthage, let's take advantage of our early power

	16-03-2003 22:10									#48
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All that we're saying, is give mercs a chance.

	19-03-2003 03:06									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Trip NYE is right. An appropriate balance must be struck between expansion and defense. I'll be the first to say that I'm going to be adopting a conservative stance until we have a stronger base with which to work with. Having a start like most of the teams did in the PTW DG might make make it seem fine to take that kind of approach (i.e. risk), but I know from my experience with Lux that when you start out with a sub-par start position, defense is your priority, not building more cities, not blocking opponents expansion, not acquiring resources. An extra city does you no good if you can't defend what you have to begin with.

Agreed. The mitigating factor is the anger between CDG and CFC, but let's not tempt fate. After hostilities begin, we can reexamine our strategy.

	19-03-2003 03:08									#50
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I've been talking a bit with Dominae, and we may have a bit of a plan worked out regarding our future plans. I'm going to be posting it in a thread soon, so stay tuned...

	19-03-2003 03:17									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Trip NYE is right. An appropriate balance must be struck between expansion and defense. I'll be the first to say that I'm going to be adopting a conservative stance until we have a stronger base with which to work with. Having a start like most of the teams did in the PTW DG might make make it seem fine to take that kind of approach (i.e. risk), but I know from my experience with Lux that when you start out with a sub-par start position, defense is your priority, not building more cities, not blocking opponents expansion, not acquiring resources. An extra city does you no good if you can't defend what you have to begin with.

Agreed. The mitigating factor is the anger between CDG and CFC, but let's not tempt fate. After hostilities begin, we can reexamine our strategy.

	19-03-2003 05:51									#52
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I've got a little score to settle with CFC too

	19-03-2003 23:53									#53
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Assuming CDG doesn't declare war on us in the near future our top priority should be founding the cities along that southern river.

But if CDG does declare war on us, top priority would have to be the wipe out of CDG.

	20-03-2003 04:36									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen I've got a little score to settle with CFC too

What did they do to you?

	20-03-2003 04:56									#55
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I got into a MAJOR argument with one of their moderators AoA here in the Spanish forum because of their, how shall I say it, "intolerant" attitude towards anti-US comments and also at their insistence we do not speak spanish in their threads (which btw isn't in their forum rules so technically it's permitted).

So they'll get hardball from me at least once we contact them.

	21-03-2003 00:48									#56
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Hehe nice one Zen...
I myself got our moderator on my back in the OT forum.
There is a lot of critisism going on there. The mod suspected me of inciting a flame war when I was critisising US-officials. I think flaming other Apolytoners is a bad thing to do, and I never want to do that! and peace.

	21-03-2003 11:13									#57
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I also got our OT moderator on my back... he threatened me with TOAST!! a rather frequent threat he uses.

But this wasn't in the OT, it was in the Civ3-General forum....a couple days back.

Dare they ban Apolytonia's Deputy Foreign Minister!!!

	21-03-2003 12:09									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen Dare they ban Apolytonia's Deputy Foreign Minister!!!

In a New York minute.

And btw, I suggest that no one use this forum as a place for comment on Poly or it's owners/moderators and policies. Community is a good place for that.

They leave us alone here. Let's keep it that way, please?

	21-03-2003 12:23									#59
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I'd say in a New York second

NYE's right, let's leave these comments for another place.