14-03-2003 20:49									#31
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Not my problem. I call the cops. 6 This puts you with nations like the Swiss.

Hmmm, I must be a Swiss then, although I never liked their cheese and do terribly bad with the crossbow.

quote: I watch. It's funny. The little person is getting smoked royally. 1 5.26% And finally, the French. SO glad someone else is getting kicked to the curb.

Last time I checked, the French tried to hinder the big bully to beat up the little person.

	14-03-2003 21:05									#32
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I agree -- friends get priority but I would likely intervene in any event. Its all situational anyway. If I had been drinking I would tend to stay out of it. If sober I would only stay out ( choosing to just call the cops) of it if:

1. it looked like an equal fight
2. I was with Mrs flubber and/or a child and there was any danger to them--


I have stepped in when I have seen guys hasseling girls. In one case it tirned out to be a girl that was pissed with her boyfriend. . . she was fine but thanked me for my concern. In another case I saw a guy slap a girl and grabbed him and pulled him away. I left it at that but a friend of mine then came up and asked the guy to "try hitting him" before clocking him one.

I have also intervened with others in any number of "consensual" fights when the victor was clear. In the stupidity of our youth, we sometimes fought but it was always according to a type of code ( unspoken) and no one ever got any more than a cut or few bruises.

	14-03-2003 21:23									#33
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand I rush in immediately. This isn't right. 6 31.58% Wait until the littler person screams for help. 2 10.53% Congratulations. You're like George Bush, and the majority of Americans.

So when will George W. Bush launch an attack on the United States of America, seeing that it is in fact beating up a smaller country?

	14-03-2003 21:29									#34
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Nope the analogy would be better if you said that Iraq was a bully that was beating up smaller kids (Kuwait) and fighting other kids ( Iran) and all the kids in the neigborhood and town got some of the biggest kids to come teach them a lesson ( Gulf War 1) and make them promise to stop.

In the current conflict, the fear is of certain weapons and a failure to keep the promises that ended the first pounding. But the big kids and the neighborhood kids are divided on whether another puounding is necessary since some believe that the mere presence of the biggest kid in this neighborhood is sufficient.

There you go-- THe Iraq conflict boiled down to a schoolyard conflict

	14-03-2003 21:31									#35
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This was about Iraq?

	14-03-2003 22:47									#36
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It was about coming to the aid, of anyone.
Be it a weaker person, or a weaker nation.

	15-03-2003 04:05									#37
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I thought that's where you were going...

But what if the only way you could aid the smaller dude was with a shotgun loaded with buckshot?

	15-03-2003 06:54									#38
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Without knowing the situation it's tough to make the decision to intervene, I mean, for all you know the little guy raped the big guys sister.

So? It doesn't matter if the defender killed the assailant's entire family. Vigilantism is always wrong.

	15-03-2003 07:08									#39
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When I was in the live entertainment industry, I had to break up a couple of fights. If the confrontation is in the early stages, you simply separate them. If there is a definite instigator, you eject them. If things are getting a bit heavy, you call the police.

If you have been feeding booze & drugs to the instigator (like the US gave weapons of mass destruction to Iraq when Sadam was its ally), you can be held partialy responsible for its actions in most jurisdictions.

	15-03-2003 07:14									#40
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I thankfully have never been in such a situation: personally, i would go call the cops: it is their job to keep the peace and sort it out, also the person that is culpable needs to be punished by the criminal system.

	15-03-2003 07:25									#41
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I should also mention, as anyone in the policing industry knows, the most dangerous situation to get involved in is a "domestic" one e.g. man/wife or boyfriend/girlfriend. A couple of times I witnessed situations where the female "victim" violently came to the aid of her "abuser".

I'd much rather deal with a couple of drunken guys with baseball bats.

	15-03-2003 08:10									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph . Last time I checked, the French tried to hinder the big bully to beat up the little person.

Yes, because of all the money they are now receiving from the little person. (Including the weapons they are selling the little person). This quote came from the Man who owns US New and World Report. And he also said that when we get our hands on some of the paper in Bagdad, France may have a met down.

	15-03-2003 12:47									#43
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It depends if I think I could take on the bigger person. Which given my size is unlikley

so I'd just call the cops.

	15-03-2003 20:02									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Uncle Sparky I should also mention, as anyone in the policing industry knows, the most dangerous situation to get involved in is a "domestic" one e.g. man/wife or boyfriend/girlfriend. A couple of times I witnessed situations where the female "victim" violently came to the aid of her "abuser".

That's sadly true. That means you have to slap her around too.

	15-03-2003 20:22									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Uncle Sparky When I was in the live entertainment industry, I had to break up a couple of fights. If the confrontation is in the early stages, you simply separate them. If there is a definite instigator, you eject them. If things are getting a bit heavy, you call the police. If you have been feeding booze & drugs to the instigator (like the US gave weapons of mass destruction to Iraq when Sadam was its ally), you can be held partialy responsible for its actions in most jurisdictions.

...in which case it is in your best interest to render him harmless ASAP.

	15-03-2003 20:25									#46
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I think we should all help out wherever possible, thats not to say I would put my well being at serious risk, but it would depend on the situation and who was involved.

These days you cant be to careful, it common to hear of people being stabbed or stuff in the UK (probably worse in USA) for getting involved with muggers etc.

I would like to think I would always help out a woman in trouble and have done so at great risk to myslef in the past. i.e. dragged one away from a group of about 15 drunken Spanish would be? rapists that weere harrassing her on a beach late one night. Im a big guy and I think the fact that I was brave enough to challenge them made them think twice (I had my beer coat on so was feeling brave, ("beer coat" = p1$$ed so felt protected).

I once saw a guy I know (a local yob) arguing with his missus, I was with two mates but we did nothing. He was hitting her and at one point she was on the ground on all fours and he kicked her in the stomach. I swear she flew about 4 foot in the air and into the middle of the road. Still we did nothin. If you knew this guy I dont think you would of done eaither, hes a builder and built like an brick $h.t house, has no sense of limits. with the blind rage he was in to intervene would have meant serious physical damage. Still felt guilty but what could we do?

I do think that all strangers should be supportive in situations of jeopardy so if there are a lot of poeple about and you see something you should always be prepared to defend what is right. Its like dealing with the school bully scenario, he / they may bully individuals, but if there is consensus among the majority and they stick together the bully becomes the outsider.

Peace.

	15-03-2003 22:08									#47
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It would depend on the situation. I have been known to step into a fight, or together with one of my mates take both combatants in a full nelson. At 6'6" and roundabout 220lbs, and usually out with my crew (average height 6'3", average weight about 225), I don't think there's many people that won't lose the will to fight if we step in.

If a man was hitting a woman i would step in everytime I'd like to think. Man vs man, if it was a couple of pissed council estate townies I probably wouldn't bother.

	15-03-2003 22:10									#48
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If it was two hot babes going at it, I'd immediatly run for a video camera.

	15-03-2003 22:17									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer If it was two hot babes going at it, I'd immediatly run for a video camera.

Have a thing for bruised and battered women?

	15-03-2003 22:29									#50
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quote: It was about coming to the aid, of anyone. Be it a weaker person, or a weaker nation.

So, when are you going to attack Belorussia and DPRK?


Btw, this thread is complete BS. Despite what you think, you aren't some shiny
knights who are fighting the evil satan who is killing innocent ones.
You are invading a much smaller country, which has a pathetic militiary,
to grab it's oil reserves. You have no chances of losing, either.

So complete propaganda-BS. Better troll next time.

	15-03-2003 23:15									#51
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Hate to tell you, Einstein; but Hussein is a terrorist.
He kills women and children every day.
They are digging holes to hide in, complete with gas masks, for the men.
He's a habitual liar, a fake, and a fraud.

Get over there in the French Make Excuses line.

	16-03-2003 00:49									#52
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quote: Sometimes all it takes is a look. I was waiting outside a club in a car one time when I saw this girl and a guy having a shouting match. She was crying and pushing him away. He was getting angry and looked like he was about to start slapping her around. I just opened the door, stood up and caught his eye. That was enough.

The best fights are the ones you avoid through other means. This is also applicable to the war in Iraq.

	16-03-2003 03:34									#53
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True, but that approach has been tried.
Still ongoing, in fact.