15-03-2003 01:39									#1
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I have to buy a new vc (the one I had burned because the cooler failed for a while , it was a gforce1 anyway... ) I saw a GForce 4 mx420 (SE) from XFX for only U$S 70, the cheapest I could find... is it any good? If you can recomend another please do so
Whatīs the meaning of SE?

NOTE: I canīt afford more than u$s100 and I really need a new one

	15-03-2003 01:55									#2
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I don't know what I'm talking about, but I've heard bad things about the Geforce 4 mx

	15-03-2003 01:58									#3
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SE is just marketing for that particular board maker...

A GeForce 4 MX420 is being replaced within a couple weeks with the GeForce FX 5200...

The GeForce 4 MX420 is essentially a DirectX 7 part. It can't most DirectX 8 stuff or any DirectX 9 stuff. The GeForce FX 5200 is going to be quite cheap (supposed to retail at $79 when it comes out), and is actually fully DirectX 9 compliant...

	15-03-2003 02:54									#4
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If your not really into 3d games, go for an ATI card. Better 2D quality, better suited for connection to your TV.

My geforce1 has been running for months one end without a fan, are you sure it's kaputchsj ?

	15-03-2003 23:28									#5
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Alva: well "almost dead " It works for a while and then Mine also worked for months until a week ago, weird lines started to appear when booting (sp?) and windows refused to run.

Asher: Thanks, but I need the card now , anyway I don`t think that the new one will be here soon enough...

Osweld: Me too

Thanks to all I will see what I can do.

Last edited by Unspeakable Horror on 17-03-2003 at 19:44

	17-03-2003 19:47									#6
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Anyway whatīs the difference between a GForce4MX(u$s70) and a GForce 3 TI# (+u$s125)? Besides the price...

	17-03-2003 20:24									#7
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You can find comparisons between a bunch of different cards here

	17-03-2003 20:40									#8
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"I don't know what I'm talking about, but I've heard bad things about the Geforce 4 mx"


Indeed. If you look at a G4mx and a Geforce2 you will notice they are exactly the same infrastructure. You might as well go for a Geforce2 Ti Series. Actually Faster in most tests.

"The GeForce FX 5200 "

Stay away from the FX series for now, It burns to hot, its drivers are VERY glitchy (just wait) and its begining to look alot like 3dfx's VooDoo 5 series a few years back. Yes this particular card is supposed to be the cheaper of the FX series. But I would wait to see how it turns out.

I wouldnt recommend getting an ATI 8500 (talk to asher about the catalyst drivers, as they might still suck.) Or wait for the 9200....9600 or 9800 .

Or hey. I built a system at work that had an SiS Xabre 128. Very Nice, cheap card. Good drivers

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edit: I should add Ive just heard rumors about FX problems. Never actually had one. I think only the 5800 is out in limited numbers anyway.

	18-03-2003 02:12									#9
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The GeForce FX 5800 and 5800 Ultra are the only ones that run really hot.

The 5200 and 5600 are standard-temperature.

The reason the 5800 run so hot is because they were originally supposed to be 350MHz, but when ATi stole the performance crown they overclocked them and stuck a massive cooler on them so they could just barely overtake them.

	18-03-2003 05:27									#10
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ahh so that explains the FX less than stunning performance over the 9700 Pro . DDR-2, wha???

ATI is the speed king now. But the true money is in Low budget, peasant video cards.

	18-03-2003 05:28									#11
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NV35 wasn't delayed even though NV30 was...NV35 will replace NV30 in May.

ATI's next major chip is near the end of the year, R400.

NV35 is supposed to be significantly faster. At CeBit it was demoed behind closed doors and a 250MHz NV35 is as fast as a 500MHz NV30 (according to TheReg).

	18-03-2003 05:38									#12
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Well hecko. If the 5200 is gonna be out soon. And if its around the 80 dollar range, I will get it. Just not sure if it beats the Ti4200 (no telling yet, no benchmarks)

NV35....I think your being optimistic. See how the FX blows over first

I heard the R400 is already being developed.The reason why there rushing to develop the R400 is becuz Nvidia hands Ati's ass on a platter with the Nv30,Ati could retaliate with the R400.
The only difference between the R400 and R300 is:
Smaller die=From .15 to .13 to macth up with the Nv30
Faster Core=Most likely 350 to 375

ATI is one step ahead. They also have 2 engineering teams

	18-03-2003 06:12									#13
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory I heard the R400 is already being developed.The reason why there rushing to develop the R400 is becuz Nvidia hands Ati's ass on a platter with the Nv30,Ati could retaliate with the R400. The only difference between the R400 and R300 is: Smaller die=From .15 to .13 to macth up with the Nv30 Faster Core=Most likely 350 to 375

You're confusing R400 and R350. R350 is the one that will have 375 or 400MHz core rating, it's the 9800 Pro.

R400's details are tightly under wraps, but Dave Orton (ATI COO) said he's more excited about R400 than he was for R300, which means it's something big.

R350 is their last high end chip until the next cycle at the end of the year.

R350 will compete with NV35 (May).

R400 will compete with NV40 (End of year/early next).

quote: ATI is one step ahead. They also have 2 engineering teams

One of which is working on Nintendo's next chip.

Both companies have multiple engineering teams. Technically speaking Nvidia employs more engineers.

NV30, NV31, and NV34 all had their own engineering teams.

Those same teams are now working on NV35, NV36, and NV39...

	18-03-2003 19:04									#14
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lots of info!
Thanks to all

	18-03-2003 19:48									#15
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If you can't wait, Radeon 8500 (now called radeon 9100) is ok card for 100$. I wouldn't worry about card not having directx9. Even directx8 effects are still rare...

quote: Well hecko. If the 5200 is gonna be out soon. And if its around the 80 dollar range, I will get it. Just not sure if it beats the Ti4200 (no telling yet, no benchmarks)

I have seen some, 5200 ultra beats ti4200 only in some tests. Can't remember where.
Tom's Hw site said 5200 is going to be 99$ and 5200 149$.

	18-03-2003 20:21									#16
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You might as well buy one now. If you keep waiting around for the next big thing with graphics cards (which is always seemingly about a fortnight away), you'll never get around to buying one.

	18-03-2003 21:13									#17
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Oh ya. Very few games will even use Direct X 9. Even Doom 3 is Direct X 8. So dont go for the newest...DX 9.1 support. No biggie,

hell, my labtop has an Mach64 mobile video card (4mb). Its DX expired at 6. Still plays Hearts of Iron tho.

	18-03-2003 23:25									#18
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DirectX 10 ain't out for 2 more years, DirectX 9 will be here to stay for a while.

	19-03-2003 00:04									#19
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Yeah, the fan on my GeForce DDR has been dodgy for some time now but there have been no problems...

	19-03-2003 00:21									#20
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The best sub 100 usd is either an Radeon 9100 or GF FX 5200 but the 5200 is not available yet and it might not be available in next few weeks

	19-03-2003 19:18									#21
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TiP: thanks

Paul H and Faded G:
Actually Iīm waiting for the money not the card (If Iīm lucky next week :hope: ) and in the meantime I try to find out what to buy.

Provost: I think that thatīs what happened to me but here is summer now so...

OneFITG: Here probably wonīt be available for more than that anyway

R8500 = R9100

	19-03-2003 22:43									#22
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Yeah, I will be looking at a new system at some point so I will come to you with suggestions...not like I particularly need the advice about construction but just for a thumbs up and a bit of personal experience with certain stuff...I haven't put a computer together for over a year now you see