16-03-2003 13:02									#1
	I tried, I really did Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I tried to enjoy this game. I really did. I didn't care about the dated graphics, I don't have the horsepower for the newer games. I learned to deal with the Viceroys, they were really kind of a good idea. The lack of a ship refit was unforgivable, but I got around it. The War / Peace flip flop was understandable and just an irritant. I was starting to 'get' the game.

Until just now when I built huge task forces to take my neighbors rich world. It took a long time to get there. I sent Destroyers and Light Cruisers that were killed by his 2 System ships. Reload and build larger fleets. Repeat. Don't have enough ground troops. Reload and ...

Finally, I had fleets large and strong enough to take the enemy and what do my ground troops do? They attack the weakest planet in the system. A size 3 next to the sun. While my target is still sitting out there fat and green happy.

This game has no redeemable qualities. There is nothing here to patch. Rantz and his buddies can do all they want. But, they've lost me forever.

Fie on them!!!

	16-03-2003 14:24									#2
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And your point is ...?

	16-03-2003 16:15									#3
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To show is displeasure at some of these aspects of the game i suppose, which is fair enough.

I think there should be some kind of attempt to contain these threads into 2 that remain at the top, those against MOO3 and those for it, it might help to reduce the flood of "MOO3 is great because..." and "MOO3 sucks because..." threads, though i do confess to starting a thread of praising MOO3 myself

	16-03-2003 16:43									#4
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I second that suggestion. I myself am greatly disappointed, both by what we've witnessed over the past few months - from great ideas being given the axe to endless push backs (though, in retrospect, I shiver to think what the game would have been like had it been released back then) - and what has been said since its release.

I don't own the game yet, but there's a good chance I'm going to go get it today. Still, the great potential this game had has really taken a hit by those who wanted this game to appeal to the mass-market (mass-market = people who have gotten used to and have accepted crapware put out, dime-a-dozen, by jillions of companies looking for a quick buck without risking ORIGINALITY). If they'd just stuck to the plan of making an UberMoo, and pulled-off the coding, the rave reviews would have earned them the sales they were salivating for. Instead of making something that looks like just about everything else that's been put to market in recent years, they could have given the PC gaming world the shot in the arm it needed to bring back the creativity that made the earlier days of gaming great, stuff of legends.

*Sigh...* God I hate lost opportunities and missed chances...

	16-03-2003 17:43									#5
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If you buy it, DRose, let us know about your experience with it.

	16-03-2003 20:16									#6
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DRose, I'd advise against it until the patch is released, at least.

Remember that GalCiv is coming out and may fit the bill you want nicely.

	17-03-2003 03:09									#7
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Just got back from Best Buy...

...Boris, you're too late. Couldn't resist Moo's siren song...

Alexnm, I'm meer minutes away from installing and trying it out. To be honest, I tried finding a less-than legitimate copy on p2p, but all I found were invalid files. I had EVERY intension of buying a legal copy (and have just done so), but given the disturbing number of independant POOR to BAD reviews, I wanted to test the game before deciding between get Moo now and wait on GalCiv or visa-versa. Oh well...

...Hi ho, hi ho, to install Moo3 I go...

	17-03-2003 03:39									#8
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I strongly suggest downloading colin grey's mod. Without it, the game is very very very bad. The mod fixes the problem with ai building millions of transports and have basically no military power. It also slows down the tech rate so you don't get like 10 techs a turn or something.

	17-03-2003 04:26									#9
	Re: I tried, I really did Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

quote: Originally posted by PaulNAdhe Finally, I had fleets large and strong enough to take the enemy and what do my ground troops do? They attack the weakest planet in the system. A size 3 next to the sun. While my target is still sitting out there fat and green happy.

So the actual problem you're complaining about is that it isn't obvious how to specify which planet you want to attack. If you click on the tab at the bottom of the space combat screen, it will let you pick which planet you want to attack. I don't know how it decides which to attack if you don't pick one, however.

	17-03-2003 05:01									#10
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If you don't choose a planet to attack it defaults to the first planet from the Sun doesn't it?

	17-03-2003 06:19									#11
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quote: Originally posted by statusperfect And your point is ...?

I think his point is that he tried to enjoy this game. He really did. He didn't care about the dated graphics, he don't have the horsepower for the newer games. He learned to deal with the Viceroys, they were really kind of a good idea. The lack of a ship refit was unforgivable, but he got around it. The War / Peace flip flop was understandable and just an irritant. He was starting to 'get' the game.

Until just now when he built huge task forces to take his neighbors rich world. It took a long time to get there. He sent Destroyers and Light Cruisers that were killed by his opponent's 2 System ships. Reload and build larger fleets. Repeat. Didn't have enough ground troops. Reload and ...

Finally, he had fleets large and strong enough to take the enemy and what did his ground troops do? They attack the weakest planet in the system. A size 3 next to the sun. While his target is still sitting out there fat and green happy.

This game has no redeemable qualities. There is nothing here to patch. Rantz and his buddies can do all they want. But, they've lost him forever.

Fie on them!!!


At least, that's what I understood him to mean.

	17-03-2003 09:13									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Anun Ik Oba I think his point is that he tried to enjoy this game. He really did. He didn't care about the dated graphics, he don't have the horsepower for the newer games. He learned to deal with the Viceroys, they were really kind of a good idea. The lack of a ship refit was unforgivable, but he got around it. The War / Peace flip flop was understandable and just an irritant. He was starting to 'get' the game. Until just now when he built huge task forces to take his neighbors rich world. It took a long time to get there. He sent Destroyers and Light Cruisers that were killed by his opponent's 2 System ships. Reload and build larger fleets. Repeat. Didn't have enough ground troops. Reload and ... Finally, he had fleets large and strong enough to take the enemy and what did his ground troops do? They attack the weakest planet in the system. A size 3 next to the sun. While his target is still sitting out there fat and green happy. This game has no redeemable qualities. There is nothing here to patch. Rantz and his buddies can do all they want. But, they've lost him forever. Fie on them!!! At least, that's what I understood him to mean.

	17-03-2003 13:12									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Anun Ik Oba I think his point is that he tried to enjoy this game. He really did. He didn't care about the dated graphics, he don't have the horsepower for the newer games. He learned to deal with the Viceroys, they were really kind of a good idea. The lack of a ship refit was unforgivable, but he got around it. The War / Peace flip flop was understandable and just an irritant. He was starting to 'get' the game. Until just now when he built huge task forces to take his neighbors rich world. It took a long time to get there. He sent Destroyers and Light Cruisers that were killed by his opponent's 2 System ships. Reload and build larger fleets. Repeat. Didn't have enough ground troops. Reload and ... Finally, he had fleets large and strong enough to take the enemy and what did his ground troops do? They attack the weakest planet in the system. A size 3 next to the sun. While his target is still sitting out there fat and green happy. This game has no redeemable qualities. There is nothing here to patch. Rantz and his buddies can do all they want. But, they've lost him forever. Fie on them!!! At least, that's what I understood him to mean.

Ah. You finaly get it? He talks about himself not about the game. I'm tired of those posts. They are SPAM SPAM SPAM!

	17-03-2003 15:52									#14
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It shows the level of frustration, not much else. One post asking 'is it possible to specify the target world for ground invasion?' would have achieved the same answer without all the flaming vitriol.

	17-03-2003 16:30									#15
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But flaming vitriol makes a tastey treat. Oompah!!

I think he hit the essense of the game, even if he did talk in the first-person a lot- the fact that what direct control you do have over your empire is messy at best.

	17-03-2003 18:36									#16
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quote: Originally posted by statusperfect Ah. You finaly get it? He talks about himself not about the game. I'm tired of those posts. They are SPAM SPAM SPAM!

You are wrong

"esse est percipi"

Things do not exist as themselves.
Only "experience" can be accounted for, that is, the perception of the interaction between what appears to be represented as a thing and what appears to be represented as a being.

The game does not exist. PaulNAdhe does not exist. YOU do not exist. This site does not exist. I do not exist myself.
Or rather, nothing conclusive can ever be drawn about the *autonomous* existence of any of the above.

Thus, he talks about the ONLY things he truly knows to be existing: the "perception" of himself playing the game.

This is not SPAM.
This helps you enhance your perception of other perception processes different than yours, thus enhancing the enjoyment you perceive from the game.

And above all, please perceive my sig.

	17-03-2003 21:18									#17
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quote: Originally posted by MariOne You are wrong "esse est percipi" Things do not exist as themselves. Only "experience" can be accounted for, that is, the perception of the interaction between what appears to be represented as a thing and what appears to be represented as a being. The game does not exist. PaulNAdhe does not exist. YOU do not exist. This site does not exist. I do not exist myself. Or rather, nothing conclusive can ever be drawn about the *autonomous* existence of any of the above. Thus, he talks about the ONLY things he truly knows to be existing: the "perception" of himself playing the game. This is not SPAM. This helps you enhance your perception of other perception processes different than yours, thus enhancing the enjoyment you perceive from the game. And above all, please perceive my sig.

	19-03-2003 05:22									#18
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quote: Originally posted by PaulNAdhe I tried to enjoy this game. I really did. This game has no redeemable qualities. There is nothing here to patch. Rantz and his buddies can do all they want. But, they've lost me forever. Fie on them!!!

That's why I follow the words of Homer Simpson. "Never try anything".

	19-03-2003 15:24									#19
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To paraphrase my favorite Homer quote:

"If MOO3 has taught us nothing else, and it hasn't, it's that Rantz should stick to girls' sports, such as hot oil wrestling, foxy boxing, and such and such."

	19-03-2003 23:55									#20
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To All,

Don't stop whining. As much as you'll get bashed by the "if you don't like it you're whining crowd" you must keep whining.

Otherwise,

It'll never get fixed. (No one DOESN'T think its broke).

I paid $50, now its $30. Had I listened I would've saved some money.

HOWEVER,

I was on turn 300 as the Sakkra last night when everything finally clicked...

I was fighting a 2 front war, so I was glad to dish off colonizing and planet building.

Building big ships takes time, so the military queues no longer require constant maintenance.

I was in a 50 on 50 fight and it was FUN! A 50 on 50 in MOO 2 or SE IV is so PAINFULLY slow that I usually quit when I get to that point.

HOWEVER, HOWEVER,

It took me about six weeks to get to the point of enjoying the game. That's just INSANE! Only a die hard zealot would ever go through this.

L8r

	20-03-2003 01:35									#21
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DRose, any verdict yet?