17-03-2003 04:15									#1
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As promised, here are maps of the continent, taken from the last savegame in the Lux forum.

The minimap:


An overview of the known continent:


The former site of the Lux civ:


Glory of War:


ND:


I'll take requests for more screens, and try to answer any questions about Lux. I wasn't active in diplomacy, so the only info I have to go off of are the reports in our forum. I hope we can make good use of these.

	17-03-2003 14:52									#2
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Beautiful! Thanks Ixnay!

Some preliminary analysis: it looks like GoW and ND have some sweet terrain, and now that Lux is gone, they've got a lot to build on. I've heard that ND and GoW have agreed to divide Lux's territory (though not evenly, I suppose; ND must have insisted that they have more of Lux's lands than GoW will, since ND participated in this war more actively), so it could be a while before the next war on Bob takes place.
IMHO we can also exclude the option of ND trying to invade our shores from the sea in the near future (RP could still try that though).

Ixnay, could you tell us about ND's military? At the time of the war, what kinds of units did they have, and how many did you see?

Last edited by Shiber on 17-03-2003 at 14:58

	17-03-2003 15:26									#3
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Excellent Ixnay! That's great!

One request: could you use your famous photoshop skills to brighten the images up a bit? The fog-of-war makes it hard to see exactly what is going on (for me, anyway).

	17-03-2003 15:40									#4
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Here's a combined minimap (JPEG, 0% compression).
Whoever plays the next turn, could you please move away the view from our continent and then take a shot of the minimap so that we could have a minimap that's free of those ugly white lines?
Also, please take a clean shot of our minimap every time Vox or ourselves establish a new city so that we could keep the combined minimap up-to-date.

If noone finds any problems with this minimap (I'm sure there aren't, but I may have missed something) soon, I'm going to send it to the common mailbox.

	17-03-2003 15:50									#5
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Lossless JPEG of the main overview, fixed up using the latest computer magic known to man.

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	17-03-2003 15:54									#6
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Thanks Shiber.

It's probably very easy to do, but it's still beyond my simple skills.

	17-03-2003 16:23									#7
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Good to see a few mountains near the sea.
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Lot's of rivers

	17-03-2003 16:35									#8
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Yeah, there's a lot to be jealous of.
This just goes to show us all how much more effort we need to put into this game in order to win. Still, I am absolutely confident in our team, especially considering all the advantages that we've got that more than cover up for the nice territory that the Bobians got.
Gathering Storm, to victory!

	17-03-2003 16:46									#9
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Time to count resources.
(of course, I can't count any resources that they've built on, only the ones that are visible on the map)

Wine: 2
Spices: 4
Gems: 2
Horses: 3
Iron: 2
Gold: 2
Wheat: 1
Cattle: 4
Game: 3
Fish: 1

That's for ND and GoW to share, plus RP might be able to grab a piece of it themselves if they REX fast enough. Btw, ND has both iron tiles while GoW has both horses tiles.
Now for our resources (forgive me if I forgot to count anything that we've built on):

Furs: 7
Incense: 5
Iron: 3
Horses: 1
Wheat: 4
Game: 1
Whale: 3

Once we've gotten rid of Vox, we'll have all of that to ourselves! See, we're no so unlucky after all.
Of course, bonus tiles aren't everything. Terrain matters a lot too, though I'm not going to start counting and categorizing all the tiles in Ixnay's maps ( ).

	17-03-2003 16:54									#10
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Addition: counting the number of bonus tiles, it seems that the visible part of our continent and the now visible part of Bob (thanks to Ixnay!) are blessed with the same amount of bonus tiles: 24 (at least, according to my count).
That's interesting... of course, it is by no means a reliable way of gauging the value of our lands vs. the value of the lands on Bob, just a funny coincidence.

	17-03-2003 17:19									#11
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There is still time to get a peacefull foothold on BOB too, something for Vox maybe?

	17-03-2003 17:46									#12
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Good point. Maybe we should ask Vox if there's any way they could get a peaceful foothold on Bob anytime soon.
Btw, I suggest that we don't mention having any of these maps to Vox. We've had several opportunities to witness Vox's "talkative nature", and I'd hate if the Bobians somehow find out that we have a map of the northern part of their continent.

	17-03-2003 17:50									#13
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Here's a thought: ND and GoW have a border agreement now, right? Perhaps GoW would be interested if Vox offered to try to settle in some of ND's claimed but yet unsettled territory... interested enough to offer some assurance in case ND decides to drive Vox off of Bob by force.
We, in turn, could offer Vox a long-term non-aggression pact, so that they could concentrate on building up and fortifying their beachhead on Bob.

	17-03-2003 18:21									#14
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Is anyone else comparing start locations? I'm not saying our start is all that bad, but I would have killed to get what Glory of War was dealt. Wow.


Dominae

	17-03-2003 18:40									#15
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Why would you kill for a 1-tile tundra island?

	17-03-2003 19:19									#16
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GoW start location: it looks to me like totally underused. They're lucky we didn't had something like that to start from, or we would have been even farther in front... they didn't even chop the game forest yet, nor mined the cow.

Sure, it could be that these maps are 'old' in that the improvements visible are there from the last time one of Luxian's scouts passed nearby, but still... it shouldn't have taken longer then 15 turns to chop both game tiles, GoW is industrious after all.

Mentioning to Vox we've got screenies now: no need to, but no need to deny it either. But we're not sharing unless they have something better to trade to us

DeepO

	17-03-2003 19:23									#17
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My thoughts exactly, DeepO. Oh, what we could have done with that land!

-Arrian

	17-03-2003 20:02									#18
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Keep in mind that GoW were forced to REX, so they probably neglected workers and focused on warriors and settlers.

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	17-03-2003 21:43									#19
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Am I missing something?

Are GoW and ND playing as badly as I think they are?

Sh-t, even if the Lux war was paramount... they are both friggin' ugly. Cracker would have a heart attack.

	17-03-2003 21:51									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus Am I missing something?

As long as you've remembered (and I'm sure you have)that the info on the screenshot is only taken from the last time a Lux unit had the tiles in it's line of sight (and will therefore be many turns out of date by now) then, no, I don't think you're missing anything.

	17-03-2003 21:53									#21
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What about securing a bridgehead at Bob? Hmmm, just thinking...

	17-03-2003 22:01									#22
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We were pretty much unprepared for a war when it happened. They had a scout perched on the road intersection between Invictus and Campus Felix. A stack of 4 swordsman moved onto the tile between Dar El-Killam and Regio Equorum, which prompted us to abandon that city and move our units back towards our capital while we attempted to slow down the advancing stack of swordsmen. Our original plan was to build a settler in Invictus and send it south to settle amongst the Roleplay team, but that changed after GoW and then Vox's offer to give us a city. The only units we saw of theirs were swordsmen and spearmen.

	17-03-2003 22:04									#23
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The only updates we would see to the map after Lux first scouted out the area would be the chopping of Forests (I believe) and the appearance of new cities (assuming Lux gave us the map as of their very last turn, or close to it). So it may not be as bad as we believe terraforming-wise, but they're still quite poor on city placement (maybe planning to backfill?), as well as the non-chopped Game (maybe they think they've got enough Food out of the Cows?).


Dominae

	17-03-2003 23:59									#24
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A bridge head is a possibility, given what we see here- but this is an old piece of intelligence, at least when considering this kind of operation. Besides, if anyone would have a look at our map right now, he would have thought the same thing.

One thing i have to say- this sure made me drool! Let's get a galley up and sailing and chart this damn world!

	18-03-2003 02:15									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph What about securing a bridgehead at Bob? Hmmm, just thinking...

I like the coastal hill next to the gems mountain due east of Anagramaskus.

-Arrian

	18-03-2003 02:22									#26
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If ND or RP won't settle it first, then it looks like a great landing site.
Establishing a beachhead there would sure piss off the Bobians, though.

	18-03-2003 02:43									#27
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Ya think?

We have our own land to settle, and an outpost is only a good idea if we are able to defend it.

Walls, barracks, temple, harbor, 3 spearmen, 2 catapults, 3 swordsmen, 2 WC's. Minimum.

That's a steep price to pay for shedding our "boring" label.

-Arrian

	23-03-2003 10:28									#28
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Stuck this. I don't want to lose track.

btw, ixnay. Where are you? Haven't seen you in the other threads. We didn't just want you for the maps.