17-03-2003 23:22									#61
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He was brought up in the aftermath of it.

	17-03-2003 23:27									#62
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He is (or was, heh) a wealthy Saudi princeling. There is no 'aftermath' for such people.

	17-03-2003 23:29									#63
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Or so you think in your limited calculation about whether one has family members killed or not or suffers from it.

	17-03-2003 23:30									#64
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Like his dad said: I made sons so they'll fight for the freedom of palestine. (since his deman for his trcuks to be transformed into tanks was deemed impossible by his engineers).

	17-03-2003 23:43									#66
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For everyone's consumption (pictures of the event and a post-mortem shot):

Pictures Here

Unfortuneatly it's getting hammered right now, so try back in a bit...

edit:

Here's another link to the photos. You need to scroll down a bit to get to them, though:

Here

	17-03-2003 23:46									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Tuomerehu Everything over 100 000 seems pretty biased to me. EDIT: Without comprehensive and clear evidence, that is. Link?

apparantly the german environmental ministry made a report that leaked out to the newspaper tageszeitung. it says that between 400 000 and 2 million iraqis will die.

I think the numbers are slightly exaggerated

http://www.taz.de/pt/2003/03/17/a0068.nf/text

	17-03-2003 23:54									#68
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I don't speak German, but I saw those figures there.

I don't think it will cause so much lives.

I think that this war will be short. I don't think that a short conventional war can claim so many lives.

	18-03-2003 00:04									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Timexwatch For everyone's consumption (pictures of the event and a post-mortem shot): Pictures Here Unfortuneatly it's getting hammered right now, so try back in a bit... edit: Here's another link to the photos. You need to scroll down a bit to get to them, though: Here

My first thoughts were of horror and outrage -- how could he not stop with her standing there? I could understand an accident, but this?.

Then I thought, "funny...the horizon looks different in the 'before ' and 'after' shots..."

The I noticed the bulldozer had a red blade in the 'before' shot and a blue blade in the 'after', and the lights were different...

What the hell?

	18-03-2003 00:09									#70
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It says something like "the numbers results from all humanitarian consequences of the war". They probably mean polluted water, lack of medication and food and so on?

I guess it depends on how quick Saddam is to surrender and how quickly foreign aid can get there

	18-03-2003 00:12									#71
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I'm having trouble having sympathy for her.

Again I'm being evil again. You know I took one of those D & D tests for alignement. I thought I would be good, but I was lawful neutral.

So I realize I'm not a good person now .

It's called commone sense. Use it!

Do not run in front of bulldozers!!

	18-03-2003 00:16									#72
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Gangerolf: Yeah, well, this numbers are definetly skewed. Unless the war goes on for more than 6 months.

	18-03-2003 00:22									#73
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The numbers will likely be higher than the official toll, but lower than what the German/French are saying...

EDIT: Still, EVERY single death is a tragedy, even if none of them affect us...

	18-03-2003 00:27									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf It says something like "the numbers results from all humanitarian consequences of the war". They probably mean polluted water, lack of medication and food and so on? I guess it depends on how quick Saddam is to surrender and how quickly foreign aid can get there

The article says that _most_ of the casualties will die of the humanitarian consequences of the war.

But I don't like the TAZ and they often publish biased news IMHO.
I remember articles of the TAZ that were so ridiculous that I first thought they were meant to be sarcastic.

	18-03-2003 00:36									#75
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I feel badly for the "human shields", too.
How were they to know?

People. I have more respect for turnips than I do a lot of people.

	18-03-2003 00:38									#76
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you mean being a human shield means possibly dying?

No I don't buy it.

We should be able to live in a world peaceful enough so human shields don't have to die. Obviously economic sanctions against Israel and the bulldozer manufacturer are in order.

	18-03-2003 00:41									#77
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Hear, hear!

	18-03-2003 00:58									#78
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IT is sad that this person got run over by a bulldozer, but what do you expect when you run infront of one??
You really have to think, will human sheilds stop those operations?? I dont think so. Even if they saw the woman, they would have just moved her and bulldozed the house any ways. Stupid Stupid Stupid.

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A house is not worth a human life. That's why you get the hell out when your house is on fire.

Therefore, she had no business risking her life trying to save a house. It was reckless and irresponsible.

	19-03-2003 09:02									#80
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This is a quote for the site linked on the other site.

That's a pretty funny site.

On Sunday, the Israeli military murdered 23-year-old Evergreen College student Rachel Corrie on Sunday, when they ran over her with a bulldozer believed manufactured by the U.S.-based Caterpillar Corp. Rachel was with other volunteers with the International Solidarity Movement, attempting to stop yet another illegal home demolition in Gaza. Report from the ISM.

http://chicago.indymedia.org/front....2&group=webcast

They have a crude picture of Bush with an erect penis ****ing the world. pretty funny.

http://chicago.indymedia.org/

	19-03-2003 09:04									#81
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Early reports said she fell and was not visible to the driver, then reports came up alleging that she was upright and visible the whole time. Here are three pictures that are said to prove this:







Look at the last two -- is that the same bulldozer, or even the same location?

	19-03-2003 09:04									#82
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand I have more respect for turnips than I do a lot of people.

That has always been obvious.

	19-03-2003 09:07									#83
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those pictures prove nothing. they could have been taken earlier.

proof my ass

	19-03-2003 09:08									#84
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but shooting children is so fun

	19-03-2003 09:10									#85
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Look at the last two -- is that the same bulldozer, or even the same location?

Yes, it's the same bulldozer. They are taken from different elevations, so it looks like the lights are in different places and that the background has changed.

	19-03-2003 09:13									#86
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I gotta admire their creativitiy

	19-03-2003 09:16									#87
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Yes, it's the same bulldozer. They are taken from different elevations, so it looks like the lights are in different places and that the background has changed.

What kind of elevation change causes distant trees to disappear on the left, a tower to appear on the right, and changes the bulldozer blade color from red to blue?

	19-03-2003 09:21									#89
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Thank you, but insufficient. Israelis don't knock down houses for giggles

Thats BS, this is more evidence that Sharon is inciting the palestinians intentionally. Why would you bulldoze someones house for no reason. Sharon and his Orthodox Jew cronies can kiss my @ss.

	19-03-2003 09:23									#90
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Yet more scintillating logic...