19-03-2003 09:23									#91
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can anyone confirm this red alert thing. I got it from that Indy website. I'm sure all their information is reliable. Since they claim to not be influenced by big business in any way.

By TOM BALDWIN
GANNETT STATE BUREAU

TRENTON -- If the nation escalates to "red alert," which is the highest in the color-coded readiness against terror, you will be assumed by authorities to be the enemy if you so much as venture outside your home, the state's anti-terror czar says.

"This state is on top of it," said Sid Caspersen, New Jersey's director of the office of counter-terrorism.

Caspersen, a former FBI agent, was briefing reporters, alongside Gov. James E. McGreevey, Thursday, when for the first time he disclosed the realities of how a red alert would shut the state down.

A red alert would also tear away virtually all personal freedoms to move about and associate.

"Red means all non-critical functions cease," Caspersen said. "Non-critical would be almost all businesses, except health-related."

A red alert means there is a severe risk of terrorist attack, according to federal guidelines from the Department of Homeland Security.

"The state will restrict transportation and access to critical locations," says the state's new brochure on dealing with terrorism.

"You must adhere to the restrictions announced by authorities and prepare to evacuate, if instructed. Stay alert for emergency messages."

Caspersen went further than the brochure. "The government agencies would run at a very low threshold," he said.

"The state police and the emergency management people would take control over the highways.

"You literally are staying home, is what happens, unless you are required to be out. No different than if you had a state of emergency with a snowstorm."

"The reason being is, what we're saying is, 'Everybody sit down!'

"If you are left standing, you are probably a terrorist. And if you are not law enforcement or emergency response; That's how we're going to catch you.

"You're not going to have a seat to go to.

"That is the basic premise of it."

	19-03-2003 09:25									#92
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I forgot to post the article as it relates to the thread.

Official International Solidarity Movement statement on Rachel’s murder

Rafah: Rachel Corrie Murdered by Israeli Army

At about 5.20 pm today Rachel Corrie from Olympia in Washington State, USA died of her injuries in A-Najar Hospital in Rafah after being deliberately run over by an Israeli military bulldozer.

Rachel had been working as an ISM activist in Rafah for seven weeks when she was killed trying to prevent the demolition of Palestinian homes and property in the Hi Salaam area of Rafah.

The confrontation between the ISM and the Israeli Army had been under way for two hours when Rachel was run over. Rachel and the other activists had clearly identified themselves as unarmed international peace activists throughout the confrontation.

The Israeli Army are attempting to dishonour her memory by claiming that Rachel was killed accidentally when she ran in front of the bulldozer. Eye-witnesses to the murder insist that this is totally untrue. Rachel was sitting in the path of the bulldozer as it advanced towards her. When the bulldozer refused to stop or turn aside she climbed up onto the mound of dirt and rubble being gathered in front of it wearing a fluorescent jacket to look directly at the driver who kept on advancing. The bulldozer continued to advance so that she was pulled under the pile of dirt and rubble. After she had disappeared from view the driver kept advancing until the bulldozer was completely on top of her. The driver did not lift the bulldozer blade and so she was crushed beneath it. Then the driver backed off and the seven other ISM activists taking part in the action rushed to dig out her body. An ambulance rushed her to A-Najar hospital where she died.

Rachel joins 1,900 Palestinians who have been killed by Israeli soldiers and settlers since September 2000,

Rachel had been staying in Palestinian homes threatened with illegal demolition, and today Rachel was standing with other non-violent international activists in front of a home scheduled for illegal demolition. According to witnesses, Rachel was run over twice by the Israeli military bulldozer in its process of demolishing the Palestinian home. Witnesses say that Rachel was clearly visible to the bulldozer driver, and was doing nothing to provoke an attack.

The photos clearly show that Rachel was well marked, had a megaphone, and posed no threat to the bulldozer driver.

	19-03-2003 09:26									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I gotta admire their creativitiy

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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk What kind of elevation change causes distant trees to disappear on the left, a tower to appear on the right, and changes the bulldozer blade color from red to blue?

The color of the blade is because a concave blade is going to reflect different things (you did notice it was polished metal?). When the blade is close to the dirt pile, it's reflecting the dirt. When it's backed up and the blade is higher, it's reflecting sky.

In the middle picture, the camera angle is dead on, but in the third picutre, it is taken slightly to one side, which would account for the missing tree.

As for a tower, I don't see a tower.

	19-03-2003 09:37									#95
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Tower, post, the thing is a cm in from the right and appears taller than the building next to it. The trees being off to one side I can accept, but the fact remains the horizon next to the trees is quite 'lumpy', and the terrain on the left in the lower photo is remarkably flat. If the blade was relfective enough to show the color of the sky, we would certainly see other images reflected in it as well, and we don't.

	19-03-2003 09:37									#96
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Bush is being impeached!


Former United States Attorney General Ramsey Clark spearheads a grassroots campaign for Congress to debate the impeachment of President George W. Bush for repeated violations of the United States Constitution.
Chicago -- Political pundits and academics agree that the Presidency of George Walker Bush will leave a legacy of being one of the most controversial periods in American history. For the first time since the end of the Nixon Era, the policies of the Bush Presidency have incited the largest protests by Americans over a wide-range of issues – most notably over the Bush First Strike War Doctrine. Insisting that the Bush II Presidency is one of mismanagement and exercise of behavior contrary to the basic fundamentals of American idealism, prominent members of past Democratic and G.O.P. administrations have begun deliberations on whether or not to pursue a campaign forcing Congress to institute impeachment proceedings for Bush, Vice President Richard Cheney, Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Attorney General John Ashcroft.

Leading the charge for impeachment is former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark. In a speech before the crowds assembled at the January 18, 2003 march in Washington organized by National ANSWR against military aggression in Iraq, Clark said, “Impeachment is the direct constitutional means for removing a President, Vice President or other civil officers of the United States who has acted or threatened acts that are serious offenses against the Constitution, its system of government, or the rule of law, or that are conventional crimes of such a serious nature that they would injure the Presidency if there was no removal.”

Attorney General Clark’s remarks sparked an intense grassroots campaign to pursue impeachment proceedings. This past week, Clark’s campaign created a website that explains in detail the legal viability of pursuing such an action against the current American regime. The website is at http://www.votetoimpeach.org. “Congressional proceedings for impeachment can bring about open, fearless consideration of the most dangerous acts and threats ever committed by an American President. If courageously pursued, they can save our Constitution, the United Nations, the rule of law, the lives of countless people and leave open the possibility of peace on earth,” Clark said. “Each of us must take a stand on impeachment now, or bear the burden of having failed to speak in this hour of maximum peril.”

The Articles of Impeachment, drafted by Attorney General Clark, outlines several offenses that warrant a Senate trial and subsequent removal of the President, Vice President, Secretary of Defense and Attorney General. The charges include: provoking war with country that is not an immediate threat to the nation, threatening the sovereignty of another country, violating the United Nations Charter through a first strike campaign in Iraq, authorizing secret military tribunals, authorizing the seizure of personal assets of individuals living in the United States, enacting policies of racial and religious profiling and discrimination, rejecting treaties protecting peace and human rights, among others. All charges brought about in the Articles of Impeachment against the Bush II Administration are backed by constitutional mandates.

One of the most important arguments for impeachment is from Article 16, “Refusal to provide information and records necessary and appropriate for the constitutional right of legislative oversight of executive functions.” Several Congressmen and Senators have openly stated frustrations with the White House in its refusal to provide information needed for legislative checks and balances to work. Most recent were remarks made on the Senate floor by Senator Edward Kennedy (D-MA) and Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY) concerning the refusal of the White House for Court of Appeals nominee Miguel Estrada to answer questions provided by Congress. Senators Kennedy and Schumer believe that the White House fails to acknowledge the U.S. Senate’s role as the primary nominating body for U.S. Courts.

The following is the complete Articles of Impeachment draft:

Articles of Impeachment of President George W. Bush

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." ARTICLE II, SECTION 4 OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

President George W. Bush, Vice President Richard B. Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, and Attorney General John David Ashcroft have committed violations and subversions of the Constitution of the United States of America in an attempt to carry out with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes and deprivations of the civil rights of the people of the United States and other nations, by assuming powers of an imperial executive unaccountable to law and usurping powers of the Congress, the Judiciary and those reserved to the people of the United States, by the following acts:

1) Threatening Iraq with a first-strike war of aggression by overwhelming and indiscriminate force including specific threats to use nuclear weapons while engaged in a massive military build-up in surrounding nations and waters.

2) Authorizing, ordering and condoning direct attacks on civilians, civilian facilities and locations where civilian casualties are unavoidable.

3) Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently proclaiming an intention to change its government by force while preparing to assault Iraq in a war of aggression.

4) Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, kidnappings, secret and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of prisoners to obtain false statements concerning acts and intentions of governments and
individuals and violating within the United States, and by authorizing U.S. forces and agents elsewhere, the rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

5) Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda about the conduct of foreign governments and individuals and acts by U.S. government personnel; manipulating the media and foreign governments with false information; concealing information vital to public
discussion and informed judgment concerning acts, intentions and possession, or efforts to obtain
weapons of mass destruction in order to falsely create a climate of fear and destroy opposition to
U.S. wars of aggression and first strike attacks.

6) Violations and subversions of the Charter of the United Nations and international law, both a
part of the "Supreme Law of the land" under Article VI, paragraph 2, of the Constitution, in an
attempt to commit with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes in wars and
threats of aggression against Afghanistan, Iraq and others and usurping powers of the United
Nations and the peoples of its nations by bribery, coercion and other corrupt acts and by rejecting
treaties, committing treaty violations, and frustrating compliance with treaties in order to destroy
any means by which international law and institutions can prevent, affect, or adjudicate the
exercise of U.S. military and economic power against the international community.

7) Acting to strip United States citizens of their constitutional and human rights, ordering
indefinite detention of citizens, without access to counsel, without charge, and without
opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention, based solely on the
discretionary designation by the Executive of a citizen as an "enemy combatant."

8) Ordering indefinite detention of non-citizens in the United States and elsewhere, and without
charge, at the discretionary designation of the Attorney General or the Secretary of Defense.

9) Ordering and authorizing the Attorney General to override judicial orders of release of
detainees under INS jurisdiction, even where the judicial officer after full hearing determines a
detainee is wrongfully held by the government.

10) Authorizing secret military tribunals and summary execution of persons who are not citizens
who are designated solely at the discretion of the Executive who acts as indicting official,
prosecutor and as the only avenue of appellate relief.

11) Refusing to provide public disclosure of the identifies and locations of persons who have
been arrested, detained and imprisoned by the U.S. government in the United States, including in
response to Congressional inquiry.

12) Use of secret arrests of persons within the United States and elsewhere and denial of the right
to public trials.

13) Authorizing the monitoring of confidential attorney-client privileged communications by the
government, even in the absence of a court order and even where an incarcerated person has not
been charged with a crime.

14) Ordering and authorizing the seizure of assets of persons in the United States, prior to
hearing or trial, for lawful or innocent association with any entity that at the discretionary
designation of the Executive has been deemed "terrorist."

15) Institutionalization of racial and religious profiling and authorization of domestic spying by
federal law enforcement on persons based on their engagement in noncriminal religious and
political activity.

16) Refusal to provide information and records necessary and appropriate for the constitutional
right of legislative oversight of executive functions.

17) Rejecting treaties protective of peace and human rights and abrogation of the obligations of
the United States under, and withdrawal from, international treaties and obligations without
consent of the legislative branch, and including termination of the ABM treaty between the
United States and Russia, and recission of the authorizing signature from the Treaty of Rome which served as the basis for the International Criminal Court.

	19-03-2003 09:41									#97
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You were trying to launch a new thread, weren't you?

	19-03-2003 10:02									#98
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**** does it matter? She was quite literally in the wrong place at the wrong time. If you stand in front of a car and don't move, just to taunt it, don't be surprised if it hits you.

She should have gotten out of the way. No reason why she should have risked her life over a mere house. It wasn't even that nice of a house.

	19-03-2003 10:10									#99
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I want to launch a new thread just about that site. Those sites are so funny.

Yes she was murdered. At best you could say it was manslaughter if it happened the way they said it happened.

	19-03-2003 13:46									#100
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I agree it was unnecessary. There should have been footsoldiers in riot gear to handle the protestors. Then they could post pictures of the bruises and stitches from the batons and rubber bullets.

	19-03-2003 14:44									#101
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Look at the last two -- is that the same bulldozer, or even the same location?

Those pictures are too small. Look at these ones.

Looks quite similar.

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quote: Originally posted by Felch X **** does it matter? She was quite literally in the wrong place at the wrong time. If you stand in front of a car and don't move, just to taunt it, don't be surprised if it hits you.

It's not a car that moves at 100 kph, it is a bulldozer that goes at like 15kph. The driver has ample time to change course. If you run over a person knowingly, it's murder. Plain and simple.

If a tank could try not to run over a person, I am sure a bulldozer can.

	19-03-2003 14:56									#103
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Excellent, larger pictures. Makes it glaringly obvious that it's two different locations.

	19-03-2003 15:00									#104
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Excellent, larger pictures. Makes it glaringly obvious that it's two different locations.

How so?

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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Those pictures are too small. Look at these ones. Looks quite similar.

Those larger pictures seem to merely enlarge the variations in the horizon that make them suspect. Take a look at the photo of the girl with the megaphone in front and to the side of the bulldozer. Note that the horizon contains a lot of trees to the left of the dozer, and that there seems to be a slope downward from left to right. Now look at the photo of her friends trying to save her while she lies in the track. The horizon is flatter, and the slope is reversed. The trees to the left of the dozer in the first picture are gone.

While these photos may be of the same bulldozer in more or less the same place on the same day, they are definitely taken from very different perspectives. Their relation to the photo of Rachel between the house and the bulldozer cannot be readily determined. These photos prove nothing about whether this was an act of murder by the Israeli armed forces (which is the claim in the headline), or whether it was an accident. It seems an extremely unlikely case of murder by the IDF, and a very unlikely case of murder by the bulldozer driver. Manslaughter or an accident seem the most likely, with suicide about as likely as the murder being ordered by the IDF.

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quote: Originally posted by Sikander While these photos may be of the same bulldozer in more or less the same place on the same day, they are definitely taken from very different perspectives. Their relation to the photo of Rachel between the house and the bulldozer cannot be readily determined.

I agree with that. Theta, Rho, and X are all different. The only way the second photo can be different, though, is if it was staged. Which is a lot more implausible it being a follow-up to the first one.

quote: Originally posted by Sikander These photos prove nothing about whether this was an act of murder by the Israeli armed forces (which is the claim in the headline), or whether it was an accident.

Since the woman was wearing red (a very eye-catching colour) and had a megaphone, it is quite implausible that the driver failed to notice her.

	19-03-2003 15:19									#107
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Look at the horizon in each photo -- in the one on the left, there are many structures and what appears to be either trees or towers off to the left. In the right-hand photo, the horizon appears nearly flat on the left, with only a few structures and a single tower on the right.

In the midground in the left photo, you see what appears to be a fallow field (brown) on the right, with low grasses in the foreground. In the photo on the right, the spot that should be occupied by the field now appears quite rugged and covered with shrubs. The foreground also appears much more choppy, with some exposed earth and grey-white rock.

	19-03-2003 15:22									#108
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The problem, UR, is that these two photos are being shown as proof that she was standing and clearly visible just before being run down. The claim is being put forth that these photos were taken in succession, in a short period of time.

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TMM,

Suppose these photos are genuine. The first one seems to show quite clearly Rachael was about to be run over by the bulldozer. The seond one seems to be taken after the bulldozer ran over her and backed up over her again

The backgound is different because the second one was rotated quite a bit to the right, I think. Also, don't forget that both the bulldozer and the woman blocked objects in the background, and the second one has a different elavation than the first one.

	19-03-2003 15:39									#110
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I don't see what's so suspect about the pics. The first thing to notice is that, assuming the girl didn't move from the her initial position in the first pic, the tractor would have to turn left from the perspective of the tractor to run her over. Now, if the tractor does turn left, the background of the tractor from the perspective of a camera facing it would be shifted left. And if the pattern holds from what we can tell, the horizon would indeed be flat.

Further, since it appears that the tractor would have to turn to run her over (unless her situation changed between the first pic and when she was run over - say she ran in front of it), the actions by the tractor driver must've been either criminally reckless (maybe the driver was drunk) or intended. Also, consider that she has some sort of loudspeaker so the driver presumably could've heard her, and also that the tractor would have to run her over twice for the situation in pic two to have existed (unless it was staged).

	19-03-2003 15:44									#111
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All that's required for the photos to be different is for the earlier one to be from a different confrontation -- perhaps even earlier on the same day. Very simple, and dosen't require visciousness on the part of the driver to explain the difference in perspective.

	19-03-2003 15:52									#112
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Why make such an assumption?

Also, note that the people in both pics are wearing a lot of red, so probably it's same confrontation.

And the light levels and weather are comparable, so it's probably about the same time.

	19-03-2003 15:56									#113
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I'm not the one having the bulldozer swerve (at 15 mph) in order to justify a change in perspective.

	19-03-2003 15:58									#114
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BTW, the tread tracks in the last photo look pretty straight to me.

	19-03-2003 16:14									#115
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I have no clue what the handling capabilities of a bulldozer are. But rotating the velocity a few degrees within a few meters doesn't strike me as impossible.

But assuming the girl in the first pic was ran over at the time (and she didn't suddenly run into the path of the bulldozer), the bulldozer would have to turn. The idea just happens to mesh with the evidence of the horizon.

You have a point about the track marks. That's rather suspicious.

	19-03-2003 16:21									#116
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Of course she was probably moved a bit from the impact(s), so the more swervy part (whether in front or back) might not be visible. It looks like it curves a bit in front.

	19-03-2003 16:25									#117
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My 2 cents:

- I don't know whether or not the driver could see her or not. There should certainly be an investigation. If the driver did see her, he should be taken to task.

- If they had seen her, they should have used tear gas or some other method of getting her out of the way
while not exposing themselves to danger (snipers, or the possibility that the peace protester might have been a terrorist with a bomb strapper on). If she couldn't have been removed safely, they should have come back another day - unless keeping that house standing (if it were the site of gunmen or such) would have posed more of a risk than postponment.

- Apparently, the troops had used tear gas an hour earlier in a simmilar confrontation at a nearby location, which makes me think that the driver didn't see her, or the same tactics would have been used.

quote: Troops had fired tear gas and shot into the air during a confrontation with the protesters at another nearby house, about an hour before Corrie was killed, both Dale and the Israeli military said.

- Those picture aren't at the same location/time. Just take a look at the shadows of the bulldozer.

-Anyone standing in front of a moving bulldozer and doesn't expect the possibility of getting run over is stupid, plain and simple.

- Another picture of Rachel:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm.../168/3j5nj.html

- A statement from the Israeli side:

quote: "This was a very regrettable incident," said Capt. Jacob Dallal, an Israeli military spokesman. "We're dealing with a group of protesters acting very irresponsibly, putting everyone in danger -- the Palestinians, themselves and our forces." ... The military "expresses sorrow" and is investigating the incident, the statement said.

- A statement by the protest group:

quote: "It's possible they [the protesters] were not as disciplined as we would have liked," Thom Saffold, a founder and organizer of the International Solidarity Movement, said in a telephone interview from the group's base in Ann Arbor, Mich. "But we're like a peace army. Generals send young men and women off to operations, and some die."

(Both from http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2003Mar16.html )

Which side looks like it cares more about her tragic death?

	19-03-2003 16:39									#118
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She was weared like HAMASist. It could be a reason. She would have i weapon. It's also reason. IDF do not kill anybody with no need.

	19-03-2003 18:38									#119
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The driver could clearly see her. While the photos may not be an immediate sequence of events, since the driver knew that there was a pesky girl trying to stand in front of the dozer, he should have been much more careful. Either he should have stopped for the day or called in help to have them physically removed.

It is, however, the same horizon. The camera is at a different angle and elevation, not the dozer. If you look at the details on the right side of the picture, they are the same, just in different places.

Since we can see the driver in the photo where she was standing on top of the pile of dirt, he could see her.

	19-03-2003 18:54									#120
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I'm sorry that the young lady lost her life trying to do what she thought was right. I am sure she has also tried to stop the Pals from blowing up children trying to eat a pizza.