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Should we allow TKG's land-raising plan?
This poll is closed.
Yes, allow both sections (FWS and Xanadu) of the plan. 9 52.94%
Yes, but only allow the FWS section of the plan. 0 0%
Yes, but only allow the Xanadu section of the plan. 2 11.76%
No, do not allow the plan. 5 29.41%
Write-in 0 0%
Xenobanana 1 5.88%
Total: 17 voters 100%
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Cedayon is offline Cedayon
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Jan 2003
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  Old Post 17-03-2003 21:10
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The plan was described in the following pm I received from Our Holy Emperor:

quote:


my lord DIA,

as part of my constant struggle to improve the mineral productions in all my bases, i have formulated an evil scheme to do just that, but does not involve unethical facilities. yes, that's right, i plan to raise parts of the freshwater sea and Sea of >long M-word<

first of all, UNPD and ZG:

step 1: raise the tile the borehole is on. this raises all adjacent tiles, marked in green. those can be forested.

step 2: raise the tiles in yellow (now land). this makes all the tiles inside the blue area land. this allows me to put boreholes E of ZG and SE SE of UNPD, all the while increasing mineral output because of the forests i'd be creating.

then, down south in Xanadu.
same deal: raise the red tile. this makes the green tiles land

step 2: raise the yellow tile. you get it. more boreholes and forest

as you can see, this leaves all 3 bases still with water access should they need to build ships or whathaveyou. also note that no boreholes will be destroyed as a result of raising land.

all the plan needs is your approval, unless you think something this big needs more discussion or a poll

-=End Transmission=-




This will be a 2 day poll, so that the results will be ready in the event of a wednesday turnchat/turnthread.

The poll options are as follows:
-Yes, allow both sections (FWS and Xanadu) of the plan.
-Yes, but only allow the FWS section of the plan.
-Yes, but only allow the Xanadu section of the plan.
-No, do not allow the plan.
-Write-in
-Xenobanana

Votes for the first option will "count" as votes for the 2nd and 3rd options if "No" does not win clearly.

Once again, you have 2 days.

Main_Brain is offline Main_Brain
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Jul 2002
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Evil Plan?
Count me in.

moomin is offline moomin
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  Old Post 18-03-2003 01:30
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Rasing land is way cool. Go ahead!

DeathByTheSword is offline DeathByTheSword
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  Old Post 18-03-2003 02:39
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Drogue is offline Drogue
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No, and not just no, hell no

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This will be a 2 day poll

Isn't that unconstitutional? Min poll time is 3 days IIRC?

Maniac is offline Maniac
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Jul 1999
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It was changed some time.

Cedayon is offline Cedayon
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quote:
from the constitution:

Official:

May only be started by a government official. Must have official in the subjectline, and must be used as information gathering or decision making

Poll:
*Abstain
*Write-in-option
*Minimum of 2 days
*Maximum of 7 days
*Clear and not biased question and answers


I normally prefer to give at least 3 days, but if we're going to be having a turnchat/turnthread on wednesday...

edit - I voted yes to represent TKG's vote... though I would have voted yes anyway.

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but if we're going to be having a turnchat/turnthread on wednesday...


Well GT hasn't confirmed that yet at all. And there aren't orders either.

Cedayon is offline Cedayon
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Originally posted by Maniac
Well GT hasn't confirmed that yet at all. And there aren't orders either.
I know, I'm just trying to do my part to be ready. You could hold the chat/thread too, right? If you want to, that is... I think GT wouldn't mind the break from moving all 103 (and counting) of our formers

GeneralTacticus is offline GeneralTacticus
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Tired of ads?

I most certainly would not be unhappy about a break from that. Go right ahead with the chat.

Pandemoniak is offline Pandemoniak
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* Pandemoniak puts his his luggages on the floor

Suppress 2000 square kilometers of freshwater ? Are you gone nuts ? Where will we find our water for our xenobrew ?

*sigh*

* Pandemoniak goes quickly to Gaian xenobreweries

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  Old Post 18-03-2003 18:42
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If it means more minerals to pump into my beloved Machines of Peace, then of course. Plus if I can still get sea-based Platforms of, er, Life and Construction, then I am happy.

Earwicker is offline Earwicker
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  Old Post 18-03-2003 20:09
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It seems a waste to lose the food of the freshwater sea, and so many years' chiroforming effort. Instead, why not drop some formers on that island west of Xanadu and raise it up? Start with the southernmost point of the island (thus losing one sea-formed square), then move south and repeat - the process will create a land bridge to the island (which the current plan does not), adding territory to your Region.

Cedayon is offline Cedayon
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Just so you all know where this is headed (since I was somewhat unclear on how the votes count), the current standing (7-0-2-5) means that:

The vote is split (7-7) on the FWS section of the plan, and
The vote is in favor (9-5) on the Xanadu section of the plan.

Drogue is offline Drogue
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Do we need a clear majority to act? ie. if the votes remain tied for thw FWS section, is that a no (since we need a majority to act) or do we leave it up to a particular person (DIA or Commish?)

Pandemoniak is offline Pandemoniak
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The tie has to be broken by the DIA.

Cedayon is offline Cedayon
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Yes, it would fall to me to break the tie if it persisted.

I would break it in favor, but I'd ask that he do the Xanadu section first and/or his little energy park north of DEM, since less terraforming is destroyed in doing those than in the FWS section.

Voltaire is offline Voltaire
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Go ahead raise the land, I don’t see why not.

Cedayon is offline Cedayon
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Sorry, forgot to post the results:

It's not complicated, 9 out of 17 voters (more than 50%) voted full yes, so TKG gets to proceed with his plans without further delay.

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