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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
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Originally posted by Lincoln
The people who live in Iraq.  |
And they don't really have as much of a concept of nationhood as we expect. The Kurds don't want to be part of Iraq, they want an independent Kurdistan, and they'll be screwed silly by everyone, as usual. Otherwise, a good portion of Iraq will be overrun by the Turks.
The Shiite majority is a real problem for us, with a near-nuclear Iran. An Iran-Iraq alliance with a WMD capable Iran knocks the regional balance of power in the gulf all to hell. Tip: Invest in oil futures.
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Unfortunately, occupying powers have real precisely defined responsibilities under international law, and unless somebody sets up something that passes as a functional form of government, we're either going to be military rulers like the Romans in Judea, or else there's going to be a nice combination of anarchy, power vacuums, all that loose WMD hardware and capability, and a humanitarian crisis to boot. Not an easy situation for anyone.
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The oppressive sanctions will be lifted though, no doubt, and they will have a new chance to screw up their country again if they like. I say, a change can be as good as a rest. Let's see what happens next.  |
The peace is far higher risk than the war - we know the outcome of the war with virtual certainty.
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Germantown, Maryland
Sep 2001
time: 00:26
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Originally posted by monkspider
Tass never said that he hated Americans, he implied that he could no longer support the actions of his country, and as a result, he has been told in no uncertain terms to go back to the motherland, by left-leaners no less.
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If Tass gave a reasoned argument, people would have no problem. Instead he talks **** about our country every chance he gets, praises Russia, calls us Nazis, and trolls, trolls, trolls.
It's one thing to be proud of Russia, and to hate Utah. It's another thing to start flinging around epithets like Nazi just to get attention. That's when it pisses people off.
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I owe..I owe..it's off to work I go
Jul 2000
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Originally posted by Sava
Then hate the Republicans, not Americans... there's a difference between supporting the war and supporting the troops overseas. I'm probably the biggest Bush-hater around, but I've also got two buddies in the Marines. I'll fly my American flag high, despite the fact some dumbass president is tarnishing it. |
I have a lot of Brothers-In -Christ whom are United States Marines, I work aboard several Marine Corps Bases, am in charge of supplying Ready Mix Concrete aboard The Largest Amphibious Training Base in the World [Camp LeJeune] for 80% that is used. I am proud to be a legitimate contractor and even prouder to be personal friends with many Marines, Officers (including Generals and former Generals) as well as enlisted.
I am proud to be a veteran and also extremely proud to be an American Citizen.
I am even more proud to call President Bush my Commander-In-Chief, not a dumb@$$ President. He is very intelligent and also has an extremely tough job, protecting our nation.
I pray that all U S Citizens get behind him, after all, we dont want more attacks of terrorism. I wouldnt want to wear his shoes, I can only imagine the anguish and turmoil he must be going through, trying to protect our Great Nation, from Threats, both Foreign and Domestic
~sigh~
I wonder how many people would support his actions, if we were again attacked in the magnitude of 9-1-1?
Shame that actions of terrorists dictate the actions and reactions of our Great Leadership, I say shame because we could offer much more, than War. But terrorists started on us and I honest believe in my heart President Bush needs to be strong and unwavering in his resolve to protect our nation!
Peace
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Lincoln
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Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
The peace is far higher risk than the war... |
Well at least we agree on that part. I wouldn't want to try and manage the mess. Of course I wouldn't want Saddam to manage it either so therein lies the dilemma. I'll wait and see what happens. I make no predictions here.
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banned
Aug 2001
time: 23:26
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
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I am certain that Bush would eventually invade sometime down the line, possibly in a few months. Likely for reasons of so-called "Al Queda infiltration" or something equally Orwellian. |
Why? Because you hate Bush so much that you think he's gonna kill everyone if he has the chance?
What is the 'new' country he is going to invade, btw? |
I have come to the conclusion that this war has nothing to do with terror, and everything to do with hegemonic assertion. So Sadaam has little to do with the equation, other than to provide a conveinant demon to rally the American people around. If you disagree, then I'm afraid we have simply reached an impasse my friend.
Also, I do not hate Bush at all. I don't think that he himself is an intrinsically evil man as perhaps some do, I think he is a rather simple man who has been unfortunately misled. That is really one of the great tragedies of all of this. I don't think that Bush means to throw the world into a great cataclysm, and in fact, I am fairly certain that Bush himself is probably well-meaning in many of his actions. I cannot say the same of all the members of his staff, but I digress. Bush is a human being just like any other, and as such, is as deserving of love and forgiveness as any other. However, that said, I do greatly fear what his actions will bring upon the world.
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Grandpa Troll
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I owe..I owe..it's off to work I go
Jul 2000
time: 00:26
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Originally posted by Sava
Well, let's be honest here Troll, the terrorists hate us for legitimate reasons, despite the fact they are d1ckless 4ssholes. In conjuction with eliminating terrorist threats and increasing security, we should seek to stop the practices that inflamed these fanatics in the first place. |
I dont necessarliy agree. Perhaps some do, but predjudice is not a justified or legitimate reason. My name is Bruce Karl Cronkite. I have never personally harmed any "terrorists" But they would have no problem attacking me and my family. I dont rape and torture fellow Americans such as some of the Iraq goverment officials are doing.
I dont build weapons of mass destruction or try to attack Middle Eastern citizens.
Terrorists do attack American and International Citizens.
As for Practices that "Inflame", we could debate that over and over, we support Govt. "X" who is against this terrorist Regime or Organization.
I, nor you, have all the answers. I agree that the U S has engaged in some "questionable" practices. But we still dont do what terrorists do, engage in cowardly unprovoked attacks.
Shame, but an aggressive act such as President Bush is leading, is exactly what the Terrorists need to show them that we are NOT lying down and taken it anymore!
Peace
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18-03-2003 07:45
... but the whole "America SuckS!!" thing gets old real quick. And despite your politics, we're still one country. And even if Bush becomes an evil dictator (not likely) I'll still never burn an American flag. IMO there's a line between bashing the president, bashing Republicans, being against war... and being anti-American. I just want Tass to recognize that so we can go back to bashing Bush. 
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