18-03-2003 11:05									#1
	FAM: Notes and Preparation for Diplomatic Victory Support Apolyton

I am in the midst of a very thorough process to map out the best path towards our coming UN vote. The following information is posted here for the public and also for me ... so I don't have to keep pages and pages of info handy.

I will likely edit this thread as I get more information down.

--Togas

	18-03-2003 11:12									#2
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As of 1425ad

Rome (Furious)
Allied with China vs. Greece
At war with Russia & Japan

(3) peace & 138gpt.

wants dyes, incense, Combustion


Russia (annoyed)
Allied with Greece vs. Babylon
At war with Rome & Japan

wants oil, combustion, electronics


India (annoyed)
Allied with Zulu vs. Babylon

(3) furs & 197gpt
(4) 19gpt for dyes

wants flight


Babylon (annoyed)
at war with Russia, India, Greece, Zulu, Japan, Iriquois

(3) peace & 6gpt

wants iron, salt peter, coal, incense, and a whole lot of other things they won't get.


China (annoyed)
Allied with Rome vs. Greece
At war with Aztecs

wants dyes, electricity, refining.


Greece (annoyed)
Allied with Russia vs. Babylon
Allied with Iriquois vs. Babylon
At war with Rome & China

18gpt for incense -- RENEG NOW.

wants coal, dyes, flight, motor


England (polite!)
At war with Japan
Only Possible MPP candidate

wants flight & motor


Aztecs (annoyed)
At war with China

wants dyes, combustion, radio


Iriquouis (Polite!)
Allied with Greece vs. Babylon
At war with Japan

wants combustion, electronics


Zulu (annoyed)
Allied with India vs. Babylon

(1) 79gpt
(3) Peace & 10gpt

wants oil, dyes, combustion


Japan (evil incarnate)
Will soon be at war with everyone.

isn't going to get what it wants, but will get what it deserves.

Last edited by Togas on 18-03-2003 at 11:48

	18-03-2003 11:12									#3
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as of 1425ad we are 4 turns from Fision
We have 7097gold and make 1259gpt
we need ivory
We are the #1 power in the world. Japan is #2.

Last edited by Togas on 18-03-2003 at 11:35

	20-03-2003 05:06									#4
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Here are the attitude ranks:
-11 and lower = Gracious
-1 through -10 = Polite
0 = Cautious
1-10 = Annoyed
11 through 100 = Furious

(from BamSpeedy)
-1 for each 10 gold worth of techs/gold you donate, up to a maximum of -10 (100 gold). This bonus decays at about 10 gold/turn. The larger of a gift you give above 100 gold, then longer you will get to keep the -10 maximum pts. Example: Giving them 1,000 gold will keep them happy for 100 turns, 500 gold would be 50 turns. gpt donations are added on immediately, but the effect of it may disappear before the deal is done.

Traded maps/techs recently (-1)
Recently paid them tribute (-1)
Donated enough gifts (-10)
You have a ROP with that civ (-5)
You have a MPP with that civ (-10)
You are trading resources (-5)
At war with a common enemy (-3)
If you then sign an alliance (-2)
-1 to -3 for each enemy unit (of common enemies) you destroy

Note: Every gift of 100g or more also includes a permanent attitude change of -1.

Power lead: If you have a power lead, most of the good effects (negative numbers) are halved. ROP is one of them that still gives you the full points no matter who has the power lead.

Last edited by Togas on 20-03-2003 at 06:43

	20-03-2003 07:48									#5
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Strategy

There are 10 civs. With our nation making +1200gpt we can easily afford to spend 1000gpt on gifts, each of which would give us a temporary -5 relation (we have power lead) that errodes every turn, AND a permanent -1 relation.

Over a period of 4 turns this process alone should bring our relations down with every nation by -9.

Relations Improving plan for every civ:
We are to have some sort of trade deal in place with every civ possible.
We will exchange our WM with all civs on the turn before the vote.
We will remain at war with Japan.
We will sign alliances with everyone in the world to encourage them to also be at war with Japan. (use tech and gold to encourage this)
we will sign a MPP with England.