18-03-2003 20:12									#1
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Its interesting that despite their insistance that they will avoid civilian loss of life when The War starts, the Americanskis are planning to deploy their new (non-nuclear air burst) MOABs in Iraq. Kinda difficult to avoid hitting casualties if your gonna start throwing massive ordnance like that about.

Saddam's certainly got a way with words, and the Americans certainly got a way of ramming em right back down his throat, next- the Americanki will bring us the

Wherever There Is Land Sea Or Sky Bomb, now that's certainly gonna pack some punch.

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	18-03-2003 20:23									#2
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quote: Originally posted by problem_child Its interesting that despite their insistance that they will avoid civilian loss of life when The War starts, the Americanskis are planning to deploy their new (sub-nuclear air burst) MOABs in Iraq.

It's not a substitute for a nuclear weapon. A tiny US nuke would do ALOT more damage.

	18-03-2003 20:30									#3
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I said sub-nuclear as in non-nuclear air burst

	18-03-2003 20:32									#4
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quote: Originally posted by problem_child Its interesting that despite their insistance that they will avoid civilian loss of life when The War starts, the Americanskis are planning to deploy their new (sub-nuclear air burst) MOABs in Iraq. Kinda difficult to avoid hitting casualties if your gonna start throwing massive ordnance like that about.

I doubt they´ll use it against cilvilians, that would make no sense. Do you have a source about this?

	18-03-2003 20:35									#5
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Its not that I'd expect them to use it against civilians, but civilians will certainly get caught in the blast, its not a 'surgical strike weapon' is it.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/st...27p-61918c.html

	18-03-2003 20:35									#6
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Well its good we clarified that, I had no idea how you meant to use "sub-"...

sub-
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1.Below; under; beneath: subsoil.
2.Subordinate; secondary: subplot.
3.Subdivision: subregion.
4.Less than completely or normally; nearly; almost

	18-03-2003 20:37									#7
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MIlitary pornography at its best. Such a device has limited uses, much like the even bigger bombs designed to bust German Submarine pens in WW2 had limited uses.

In {i]Foreign Affairs[/i] they had a fine discussion about how "revolutionary" the war in afganistan was, and in it they ad some interesting discussions about morale and the effect of massive bombardment; so here is a nice example:

The Brits created a plan to help them break out of the Normandy beachhead they ahd around Caen. It would be an armor thrust to be called operation Greenwood. The notion was o saturate a very small sector of the front (7.5KM) with a huge amoun of firepower for a short time (an hour and 1 half) to be followed by the armored thrust. In that 1.5 hours the brits dropped 8500 tons of high explosives on a 7.5 km front, or the equivalent of about 840 of these MOABs. After this one hour the Brits atatcked. The remaining German defenders were able to destroy 1/3 of the British armor. Lesson: even huge amounts of firepower can;t be expected to fully destroy an eemy willing to resist.

If the war against Iraq is quick and easy its because the Iraqis don't want to figth it.

	18-03-2003 20:37									#8
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quote: Originally posted by problem_child Its not that I'd expect them to use it against civilians, but civilians will certainly get caught in the blast, its not a 'surgical strike weapon' is it.

Depends where they deploy it....

	18-03-2003 21:23									#9
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Dont forget its satelitte guided. So it isnt just 'dropped'. It will fly to its target. Dang, but 22,000 pounds...whew..


I thought Daisy cutters were big!?

Boy we/the pentagon really love big bombs. Like the germans loved there big railway guns in the last world war ?

	18-03-2003 21:28									#10
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How about the one the sets the surrounding air on fire? Are they hoping the clear out any rats before heading into the sewers?

	18-03-2003 21:50									#11
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Americas weapons are the most inhuman, and devastating, this is an acknowleged fact.

notthatthere'sanythingwrongwiththat.

	18-03-2003 21:51									#12
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There is the one that just takes out telephones and computers and such. So let's not go to extremes.

	18-03-2003 21:51									#13
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Nope: the biggest bang the US ever tested was 20 Megatons. The Russkies did 56 Megatons. We are 36 Megatons behind!

	18-03-2003 22:06									#14
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To be fair GePap, this is a very big bomb. I'm sure most anybody caught in its blast would be very dead. America today has spent decades perfecting its "Kill as many people as possible" technology. We're well beyond where the British were.

	19-03-2003 05:10									#15
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Nope: the biggest bang the US ever tested was 20 Megatons. The Russkies did 56 Megatons. We are 36 Megatons behind!

Actually the largest Soviet Warhead ever tested was rated at over 100 Megatons (topping out somewhere near 180MT IIRC) by Finnish and Norwegian scientists monitoring it with seismic detection equipment.

quote: Depends where they deploy it....

Afterall its announced purpose was to kill hardened airfields and massed concentrations of enemy soldiers.
It's not a weapon likely to see use inside a crowded city.

	19-03-2003 05:22									#16
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According to an article in the Sydney Morning Herald, the US military has no intention to use a MOAB bomb in Iraq, and it was just a propaganda stunt. According to the article, there are two reasons for this:

1) MOAB type bombs are can only be carried by slow flying C-130 transport aircraft, and are only useful against troops out in the open. As troops out in the open are likely to have the fairly limited AA weaponry needed to shoot down a C-130, MOAB bombs are impractical, especially as the US already has plenty of weapons which can do the job more safely.

2) They don't actually have any more of the things.

	19-03-2003 05:30									#17
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shhhh, you're letting the Iraqis know our little secret.

One of Saddam Husseins's sons is a poster here. He is also in the PTW democracy game.

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Nice sig Case.

	19-03-2003 05:55									#19
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It's big purpose is simply for the effect it will have pyschologically on enemy troops.

I saw a little comic about the MOAB, the dialogue going something like this:

Frenchman: (referring to MOAB) Nice bomb.

American: Thanks.

Frenchman: Certainly is big enough.

American: (smiling) Yup, sure is.

Frenchman: Yeah, wonder what you're compensating for.(snicker snicker)

American: You.


Anyway..

	19-03-2003 06:05									#22
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Frenchmen are more important to Americans than their own weewees ? I feel flattered

	19-03-2003 06:08									#23
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Don't.

On a side note, Eglin isn't too far from the USN base I'm at. I heard the damn thing go off when I was out in town.

	24-03-2003 17:32									#24
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So, they dropped a few MOABS on Bagdad after all then, and they'll probably drop more as their methods by necessarily become more blatantly brutal and colateral-packed.

	24-03-2003 17:46									#25
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quote: Originally posted by problem_child So, they dropped a few MOABS on Bagdad after all then, and they'll probably drop more as their methods by necessarily become more blatantly brutal and colateral-packed.

They used them against Bagdad? Source?

	24-03-2003 17:51									#26
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Have you been watching your televisioning-machine? two sreports so far of huge blasts rocking the entire city, and huge mushroom clouds rising... not to mention that Rumsfeld himself said on Friday that they would be deploying 'The full Package' including MOABs.

	24-03-2003 17:54									#27
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I heard it on our TV too, BeBro. I can't provide a link, though.

	24-03-2003 17:54									#28
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So you believe it was MOAB....that is not the same as a proven fact.

	24-03-2003 17:59									#29
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The Coalition believes this war is a good idea, and right now their trying to make the enemey believe they have lost, belief is in alot of things- don't dismiss it.

In this case the belief is reasonable as that was what was said by Rumsfeld, and later backed up with detonations true of MOAB.

	24-03-2003 18:02									#30
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I think those were only Tomahawks and JDAMs they used in Bagdad. The MOAB has a klling range of several hundernd meters. The shots of those explosions were taken from a distance of several hundrend meters. If they were MOABs, the camera would have been destroyed.