19-03-2003 05:43									#1
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quote: 18 March 2003 USA Amnesty International Condemns Operation Liberty Shield; Criticizes Blanket Detentions for Asylum Seekers from Specific Countries 'Liberty from Unwarranted Detention is a Hallmark of a Free Society,' Organization Stresses (Washington, DC) -- Amnesty International USA (AIUSA) today condemned the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) decision to enact Operation Liberty Shield, which mandates the detention of asylum seekers from Iraq and at least 33 other countries. The plan allows the DHS to detain "for the duration of their processing period" asylum applicants "from nations where al-Qaeda, al-Qaeda sympathizers, and other terrorist groups are known to have operated," according to today's Department of Homeland Security's announcement. "Al-Qaeda sympathizers are known to have operated in many European countries, throughout the Middle East, and even in the United States itself," said Dr. William F. Schulz, Executive Director of Amnesty International USA. "Therefore, Operation Liberty Shield gives immigration authorities carte blanche to detain virtually all persons seeking asylum in the United States. Such new authority is far too blunt an instrument to use in an effort to protect Americans' security, and it is guaranteed to damage the liberties of everyone subjected to it." Amnesty International recognizes the US government's obligation to protect its citizens and supports legitimate means of doing so. However, blanket detention of asylum seekers is also barred by international standards, which state that the detention of asylum seekers should normally be avoided and is justified only in limited cases prescribed by law. Governments have the burden of showing the necessity for detention of asylum seekers in prompt and fair individualized hearings before a judicial or similar authority. "Operation Liberty Shield denies liberty to the victims of human rights abuse who come to our country seeking freedom," said Schulz. "Liberty from unwarranted detention is a hallmark of a free society. To name an operation that denies liberty to asylum seekers 'liberty shield' is Orwellian." Operation Liberty Shield would authorize the detention of asylum seekers from these unnamed countries for the duration of the asylum procedure. "The asylum process usually takes months, sometimes years," said Bill Frelick, Director of AIUSA's Refugee Program. "As a result, traumatized people seeking our protection who have never committed a crime could find themselves in prisons and jails for months and months simply because they asked our country for asylum from persecution."

	19-03-2003 05:44									#2
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uhh ok. Thanks for the article.

	19-03-2003 05:53									#3
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Where is the problem ? You are the land of the free. Do you doubt America is the shining beacon of freedom in the world ?

	19-03-2003 06:18									#4
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Give us your tired, your poor ... the wretched refuse of your teeming shore, so we can lock 'em up.

	19-03-2003 06:26									#5
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Like this country needs any more wretched refuse...

	19-03-2003 06:29									#6
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One thing we have too many of are racist authoritarians.

	19-03-2003 06:30									#7
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Be careful Ramo, don't say anything bad about the Bush admin...

	19-03-2003 06:32									#8
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why are they racist?

	19-03-2003 06:34									#9
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The fact is that young, male muslims who are here illegally make up the vast majority of those who have committed terrorist acts against the US. So it makes perfect sense to keep an eye on them.

	19-03-2003 06:35									#10
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We should also keep an eye on Italian people... what with the mafia and all

	19-03-2003 06:36									#11
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If they don't want go through, that don't come here. I don't want some Al-Qaeda member claiming to be an asylum seeker to be able to get refuge in our country and then disappear before we know who they are.

	19-03-2003 06:38									#12
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Yep, every Moslem is a terrorist. They don't deserve freedom.

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quote: Originally posted by Sava We should also keep an eye on Italian people... what with the mafia and all

Laughable comparison. Maybe you need to watch those towers coming down a few more times.

	19-03-2003 06:38									#14
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That's right Ramo... only stupid leftist radical commie anti-war people think otherwise.

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I don't suppose anyone has heard of due process. Most people regard that as a good thing.

	19-03-2003 06:39									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Yep, every Moslem is a terrorist. They don't deserve freedom.

Are you incapable of thinking of people as individuals?

	19-03-2003 06:40									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Laughable comparison. Maybe you need to watch those towers coming down a few more times.

Even our president said this is not the work of the Muslim people. Let me ask you a question... do you think the internment of the Japanese was correct?

	19-03-2003 06:40									#18
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Why is it so hard to believe that so many people want to see every american dead?

No one believes it.

I do not want to stop muslims from coming into this country of course. They have every right to come here as anyone else. All I ask is a simple background check. If it would make people happy, then we can do background checks on all people seeking asylum not just muslims.

	19-03-2003 06:41									#19
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quote: Are you incapable of thinking of people as individuals?

This law detains without due process up EVERY asylum seeker from these countries. Are you incapable fo thinking?

	19-03-2003 06:42									#20
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due process?

are they U.S. citizens?

What about those folks in Gitmo? They are being more vicitimized than these people. Those poor souls have no legal representation. They may be stuck there forever.

	19-03-2003 06:43									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Why is it so hard to believe that so many people want to see every american dead? No one believes it. I do not want to stop muslims from coming into this country of course. They have every right to come here as anyone else. All I ask is a simple background check. If it would make people happy, then we can do background checks on all people seeking asylum not just muslims.

I agree 100%. And instead of wasting 100 billion in tax cuts for the rich, we should use some, if not all of that money to create an efficient, immigration agency to act as a universal port of entry as in the past (a la Ellis island). Unless of course, you think that the security of the nation should take a backseat to "economic stimulus".

	19-03-2003 06:44									#22
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The danger of terrorism is definitely higher among muslims, you can't deny it.

Here's an article written by someone who attended a closed-door meeting of a muslim student association at a university near me:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/a...RTICLE_ID=31571

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quote: I do not want to stop muslims from coming into this country of course. They have every right to come here as anyone else. All I ask is a simple background check. If it would make people happy, then we can do background checks on all people seeking asylum not just muslims.

The applications take months to years to process. Would you be willing to sit in a prison for absolutely no reason for years?

What ever happened to due process? Innocent before proven guilty? Are those traitorous concepts now?

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quote: Originally posted by Sava Even our president said this is not the work of the Muslim people. Let me ask you a question... do you think the internment of the Japanese was correct?

For your information, they were not interned, they were free to leave, as long as they stayed out of the exclusion zone on the west coast. Don't go believing popular myths my friend.

	19-03-2003 06:51									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo This law detains without due process up EVERY asylum seeker from these countries.

The group of people that are seeking asylum from those countries have a much higher probability of being terrorists, so I don't have a problem with them being detained. If they want to escape their country so badly they should go to the nearest safe haven. Why do they want to come to the US?

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quote: Originally posted by Ramo The applications take months to years to process. Would you be willing to sit in a prison for absolutely no reason for years?

No, and if I were a Moslem seeking asylum I would probably try for another country. If you don't want to deal with our rules for immigration, don't come here.

	19-03-2003 06:58									#27
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Ramo, If you put this to a vote of the American people, I can bet how the vote would come out.

I believe the average American is really concerned about terrorism.

I wonder what Tom Daschle says about this?

	19-03-2003 07:06									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Maybe you need to watch those towers coming down a few more times.

Hmm, maybe violence on film does traumatize viewers and render them incapable of sound judgement. Making such footage available is truly reprehensible.

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quote: The group of people that are seeking asylum from those countries have a much higher probability of being terrorists, so I don't have a problem with them being detained.

In other words, you're a racist who doesn't care about freedom of Moslems. No need to explain.

quote: If they want to escape their country so badly they should go to the nearest safe haven. Why do they want to come to the US?

Probably because they believed America would be a land of liberty and opportunity for them. Of course, they were misinformed.

quote: No, and if I were a Moslem seeking asylum I would probably try for another country. If you don't want to deal with our rules for immigration, don't come here.

Ah, so it's their fault? What a bunch of loaded doublespeak...

quote: Ramo, If you put this to a vote of the American people, I can bet how the vote would come out. I believe the average American is really concerned about terrorism. I wonder what Tom Daschle says about this?

How is this relevant?

	19-03-2003 07:45									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo In other words, you're a racist who doesn't care about freedom of Moslems. No need to explain.

Explaining anything to you is fruitless anyway. This has nothing to do with race, but of course you can't let your favorite insult go unused, can you?