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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:26
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Well, over 40 years old and they require 30 hours of maintenance for every 1 hour of flight time.
A couple years ago when a ship sank off the eastern coast, over a dozen lives were lost because of "deficient" night imaging systems on the Sea King rescue helicopters that would spot survivors and lose sight of them right after. This is according to the DND's own report, not my own assumption.
The Sea Kings are also forbidden from engaging night operations with US Forces because their equipment is so outdated to be unsafe for everyone involved.
And of course a couple weeks ago, a Sea King crashed onto the deck of a Canadian Navy ship after takeoff because of mechanical failure.
For 20 years now, critics have demanded the replacement of the helicopter fleet. Conservative PM Brian Mulroney signed a $5B contract in 1992 to replace the fleet, and as soon as Chretien was elected he proudly announced that he'd cancel the deal, even though it cost Canadians hundreds of millions of dollars to cancel only to STILL leave us with an outdated fleet (I'm not entirely sure on that figure, feel free to correct me if it's too high or low).
The DND is now covering it up: Downgraded the report previously mentioned (which recommended replacing the fleet) to "draft" status and claimed it would require further study, 2 days after CBC questioned them about it, after pressure from Ottawa.
When will Ottawa stop putting lives at risk with the aging Sea Kings? 
What should be done...who can smack the Liberals into utilizing common sense.
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MichaeltheGreat
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:26
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quote:
Originally posted by Asher
Chretien's hinted at spending $5B now to replace the helicopters recently after all this bad press, but the kicker is that $5B buys him less numbers of worse helicopters than Mulroney's original deal.  |
Yeah, inflation hits hard, and the contractors that make your different choices hat make them are looking to a lot of replacement orders from the US.
Of course, the bad news is that you can't indefinitely maintain a rotary wing fleet - with fixed wing aircraft, you can generally extend the airframe life with a main wing spar replacement, but in helos, the transmission cases tend to go with age, and if you're in one when that happens, your ass belongs to Jesus. There's no autorotation if your tranny goes to ****. The only question is whether you'll get killed from the impact, or if one of the blades will go through the crew compartment, or if the tranny case will explode and you'll get it that way.
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:26
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quote:
Originally posted by Asher
A couple years ago when a ship sank off the eastern coast, over a dozen lives were lost because of "deficient" night imaging systems on the Sea King rescue helicopters that would spot survivors and lose sight of them right after. This is according to the DND's own report, not my own assumption.
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Another Liberal bashing thread.
If you're going to attack the Liberals, at least get your facts right. There are Lots of problems with the Sea Kings and the Liberals are idiots for not replacing them, however...
The Forces SAR squadrons are equipped with CH-149 Cormorants.
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:26
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Originally posted by Asher
We've got what, 5 of those?
They don't count. |
They don't count? Tell that to the guys rescued with these helicopters.
The Force's have about a dozen in service on the east and west coast. They replace the old Labradors.
The Cormorants have already done search-and-rescue missions involving flights of more than 1,500 kms.
And yes, the Sea Kings should have been replaced years ago.
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Flubber
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With a view of the Rockies
Aug 2000
time: 22:26
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Thwe GST is the canadian 7% value added tax on pretty much all goods and services. The Liberals denounced it in the election campaign in which the Conservative government that created it was crushed. The Liberals have somehow changed their election promise to eliminate it ( 3 elections ago) into a pledge to make minor insignificant changes and then ignore the issue .
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:26
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Originally posted by Case
Why didn't the Canadian Navy buy Sea Hawks? While they're hardly cheap, they're a pretty good helicopter. As the US operates about a zillion Sea Hawks and the broadly similar Blackhawk, I'd guess that spare parts would be fairly cheap and freely available as well. |
a) Sea Hawks are old.
b) Maritime and Air Command want a three-engine helicopter. It's more reliable in the punishing North Atlantic environment.
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Ozz
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Canada
Mar 2002
time: 05:26
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
No wonder you want to leave. |
We really should do something about replacing Sea kings and Dual citzenship.
Oh, the reason Mulroney's deal being scrapped was
"popular" was everything his later government did
was tainted and suspect of corruption.
Chrietien will lose a billion in HR and just shrug his
shoulders, he isn't getting worryed about 5.
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Ozz
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Canada
Mar 2002
time: 05:26
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Originally posted by RedFred
How are the Sea Kings different than anything else in the Canadian military? |
Historically we never have never had anything but a shoestring military. (with the exception of 1944-50).
The one time we DID try and have a real military was
with the Arrow and the Conservative government killed
that.
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19-03-2003 10:33
You guys have never gotten newer models, avionics upgrades, etc?
Ehh? What's that? Something about a Latino transexual? 
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