19-03-2003 20:05									#31
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Why? Everyone knows (or at least assumes) The US is spying on european governments, companies, and of course the EU.

	19-03-2003 20:07									#32
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If its another european nation, then lets hope they weren't stupid enough not to bug themselves !! or maybe they weren't ??

	19-03-2003 20:07									#33
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Because of what I said.

Everyone spies on everyone, during a war though you shouldn't be stupid enough to get caught spying on your closest ally

	19-03-2003 20:10									#34
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I think it's the Andorran Evil Secret Service

	19-03-2003 20:12									#35
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OliverFa :
I rather believe it was the pope's spec ops

	19-03-2003 20:12									#36
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger Everyone spies on everyone, during a war though you shouldn't be stupid enough to get caught spying on your closest ally

It's never effected our relationship with Israel and France.

	19-03-2003 20:14									#37
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc It's never effected our relationship with Israel and France.

It would go down like a lead balloon over here

	19-03-2003 20:17									#38
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This reminds me of the bugs found in the State Department a couple of years ago. Don't think the retaliation amounted to anything, since I can't even remember who did it.

Yeh, we prosecute Israeli spies more than anybody else, nowadays.

	19-03-2003 20:18									#39
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I think it was the Russians.

	19-03-2003 20:20									#40
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It was the Spanish Inquisition.

	19-03-2003 20:20									#41
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I would have thought that spying on allies is restricted to commercial stuff. I would guess that military stuff is shared anyway. If a CIA/MI6 agent spied on a friendly government when it is cleraly going to embarrass everyone it would be hushed up.

	19-03-2003 20:23									#42
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quote: Originally posted by HershOstropoler Why? Everyone knows (or at least assumes) The US is spying on european governments

And vice versa.

	19-03-2003 20:27									#43
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So whaaaaaaaat?! Why would it not be the US? They have every reason to bug phones. To get that info what the French etc are up to. And for other purposes too. I'm 100% sure we do it too. Maybe not bug US phones in those buildings, but spying in other places. Of course we spy each other. We just do it in good understanding, so we don't go crazy if someone gets caught.

The only thing that would indicate someone else than the US would be that it has now become public. I'd think they would just remove those bugs and call them 'damn you' and the US would reply 'sorry mate' and back to work. They spy, we spy...

	19-03-2003 20:31									#44
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It seems possible that Russia could also be the culprit (is that what you were saying, Roland, or were you talking about the State Dept bugging?). Aren't Russia and the EU in talks on a range of trade-related and other issues?

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	19-03-2003 20:36									#45
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I would think the EU's internal security is bollocks, so it could be anyone, including a provate company who could then sell on info to the highest bidder

	19-03-2003 20:41									#46
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Even if everyone was in good relations to each other, kissing and hugging, they'd still all spy on each other. It doesn't necessarily mean anything bad blooded, it's just what everyone does..

	19-03-2003 21:05									#47
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quote: Originally posted by DanS It seems possible that Russia could also be the culprit (is that what you were saying, Roland, or were you talking about the State Dept bugging?).

The State Dpt thing.

About the EU's security, AFAIK they're quite sloppy about it. For the EUMC and PSC they had to heavily adapt some building to provide some security from bugging.

	19-03-2003 21:40									#48
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quote: Bugs have been discovered at EU offices used by the French and Germans !

Bugs? Call Terminex

	19-03-2003 22:02									#49
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I have to agree that it is someone outside the normal circle someone who does nt have the satelites and interception gear that the US uses (bugs are obsolete if you know about jamming ) its like finding a stabbing victim and accusing that guy over there with the machine gun of murder. Well maybe he has a knife too! but he'd have to have a circumstance that made it the optimal means

	20-03-2003 06:16									#50
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Interesting. This all leads me to believe it is Microsoft. They have history with bugs!

	20-03-2003 06:36									#51
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DanS - Americans spied on Israel too. We even accidentally (or not) bombed a ship of yours that did just that during 1967.


And anyhoo, you should be thankfull we spy on you and everything else. From what I read, Israel has at times provided the US with info such as top secret politburo protocols.

Also, from what I read, instead of being tied up by beurocracy and political contests, the Israelis actually followed arab terrorists in the USA quite closely, and according to what I read, have even tried to warn the US , several times about something big happennind in September.

	20-03-2003 06:54									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov DanS - Americans spied on Israel too. We even accidentally (or not) bombed a ship of yours that did just that during 1967. And anyhoo, you should be thankfull we spy on you and everything else. From what I read, Israel has at times provided the US with info such as top secret politburo protocols. Also, from what I read, instead of being tied up by beurocracy and political contests, the Israelis actually followed arab terrorists in the USA quite closely, and according to what I read, have even tried to warn the US , several times about something big happennind in September.

So the jews knew!!! Just what the anti-semites wnated to hear, and from Siro....

The problem Siro is that it seems your intellifgence services were more riddled with soviet spies than the US's, and thw POllard case was very damaging. Besides, with all the free info and money we give Israel, whats the deal? Ha Man?

	20-03-2003 12:38									#53
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The US, obviously. Could you seriously suspect anybody else?

Let's hope that the EU puts a bit more effort in anti-spy work after this.

	20-03-2003 13:58									#54
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara If it were us, do you think they'd have found the bugs?

Yup.

If you are talking about crypto, NSA is probably the best. CIA, on the other hand, isn't quite so hot.

	20-03-2003 15:43									#55
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The CIA is the most dumbest Intelligence serive around . The CIA planned and try to carry out the Bay of Pig Fiaso in Cuba when Kenndry was president. The CIA show the plan
to Ike when Ike was president an Ike threw then out of the White House saying this supid plan of your will never work.
Ike planed D-Day in world war II.

	20-03-2003 15:50									#56
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It was me, but I plead guilty...with an explanation. You see, I just couldn't get to sleep. I tried drugs, hypnosis, everything, but nothing worked until I discovered the soothing tones of a massive bureacracy inaction. It probably saved my life!

	20-03-2003 16:02									#57
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Holy crap. That would be so much easier by just reading the EU's official journal online....

	20-03-2003 16:04									#58
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quote: Originally posted by HershOstropoler Holy crap. That would be so much easier by just reading the EU's official journal online....

Not to mention a lot less expensive. Do they have streaming audio? It's the droning on and on that gets me drowsy.

	20-03-2003 16:38									#59
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Investigators believe those bugs has been in place since the buildings were constructed almost 10 years ago. But they are state-of-the art devices, so it has to be a very advanced agency.

	20-03-2003 17:31									#60
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This could be a numer of countries, but when I read the article the time the US attempted to bug the private plane of the leader of China and were caught sprung to mind...

Though it could also have been Britain, Russia or France...