20-03-2003 04:07									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker The highway system was built during Ike's presidency for defensive purposes, but if you think only government can build a highway, consider who the government calls upon to build highways.

But it wouldn't have been built without Guv'ment backing.

quote: Karl Marx did.

He also wanted the kids taken away and put in state boarding schools. Slightly different.

quote: Hey, lets give all the planks to the Communist Manifesto a new name and call it capitalism.

Don't get me started....

quote: Fine, give them all the money you want as long as the money is yours and not ours.

It's in out Interest to help them, from any standpoint. Besides, I predict most of the rebuilding funds will come from Iraqi oil.

quote: Umm...I think we will be setting 'em on fire.

pff. You're so parochial.

	20-03-2003 04:12									#32
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara That's kinda how it works, buddy. Either you pay us off or we revolt. Without Keynsian capitalism (aka to the libertarians "socialism: ) we'd all be commies today.

That's because most Communists follow the Marxist "Proletarian revolution is inevitable" line.

I maintain that Proletarian revolution is inevitable IF no measures are taken to ensure that a Square Deal for the workers is made, along with ensureing mechanisms are avalible so you can move "Up" in life.


Crminy, I can't spell today.

	20-03-2003 04:15									#33
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quote: Either you pay us off or we revolt.

All communists can be co-opted?

That explains many things here in the west.

	20-03-2003 04:18									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Can we nuke the commie meeting .

That would be wastefull overkill, a small amount of boric acid mixed with cornstarch and sugar will do the job.

	20-03-2003 04:21									#35
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Lefty!!!! You vote yet?

	20-03-2003 04:22									#36
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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 All communists can be co-opted?

The working class, silly. The reason the US didn't have a revolution was because of the New Deal. We were closer to Communist revolution at any time in our history, and that includes during the Great Labor Uprising, when the workers were actually revolting! Because of government relief efforts and the appearance that the government was trying to fix things, people remained just calm enough. Remember, however, that over a million people passed through the Communist Party in the 1930s. No other political party in the US can claim that.

Lonestar, your formulation is correct, although even Marx never mean that proletarian revolution was automatically going to happen. He assumed people wouldn't put up with capitalism rather than let it devolve into barbarism (as happened from 1914 to 1945). Nor did he predict that the capitalist state would force the capitalists to ameliorate the worst excesses of the system for their own damn good.

	20-03-2003 04:23									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola That would be wastefull overkill, a small amount of boric acid mixed with cornstarch and sugar will do the job.

Do you mean to insinuate we are roaches?

	20-03-2003 04:25									#38
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quote: Remember, however, that over a million people passed through the Communist Party in the 1930s. No other political party in the US can claim that.

Passing through?
All the others have the dubious distinction of actually retaining members.

	20-03-2003 04:26									#39
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*throws rotten fruit*

	20-03-2003 04:26									#40
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara The working class, silly. The reason the US didn't have a revolution was because of the New Deal. We were closer to Communist revolution at any time in our history, and that includes during the Great Labor Uprising, when the workers were actually revolting! Because of government relief efforts and the appearance that the government was trying to fix things, people remained just calm enough. Remember, however, that over a million people passed through the Communist Party in the 1930s. No other political party in the US can claim that.

Meanwhile, the shining beacon of Workers liberation that was the USSR was slaughtering millions in a forced Famine.

but that's neither here nor there.

quote: Lonestar, your formulation is correct, although even Marx never mean that proletarian revolution was automatically going to happen. He assumed people wouldn't put up with capitalism rather than let it devolve into barbarism (as happened from 1914 to 1945). Nor did he predict that the capitalist state would force the capitalists to ameliorate the worst excesses of the system for their own damn good.

(bolding mine)

Hey! Stop trying to mystify me with your big words!

	20-03-2003 04:36									#41
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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 Passing through? All the others have the dubious distinction of actually retaining members.

Even the modern political parties in the US don't have one tenth that number. I'm not talking voters, I'm talking actual dues-paying members.

	20-03-2003 04:38									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar Meanwhile, the shining beacon of Workers liberation that was the USSR was slaughtering millions in a forced Famine.

That was hardly known outside the Soviet Communist Party upper eschalons.

	20-03-2003 04:38									#43
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Great...I don't really disagree with this party, but neither do I really disagree with the Commies.....

I think I'm definitely one of those guys that's going to get caught in the middle of it all when the nukes drop, no matter what...

	20-03-2003 04:49									#44
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quote: Even the modern political parties in the US don't have one tenth that number. I'm not talking voters, I'm talking actual dues-paying members.

Google's not being very helpful in providing a source.

Do you have one?

Passing through is a very suspicious statistic, because that lets you count everyone who ever gives money to the Communist party, over whatever period of time you like.

Taking a yearly snapshot would be more accurate.

	20-03-2003 04:49									#45
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Even the modern political parties in the US don't have one tenth that number. I'm not talking voters, I'm talking actual dues-paying members.

Of course, most US Political parties don't require you pay dues to be registered....

	20-03-2003 04:52									#46
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A registered voter is a different thing from being an actual member of the Republican or Democratic party. Back in 1996, the number of register members of the Democratic Party was about 80,000 people.

	20-03-2003 04:55									#47
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I am a actual member of the Republican party. Have a card and everything. I do not recall ever paying dues in the past 2 years.

	20-03-2003 04:58									#48
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Maybe you don't have to, but then we socialists don't get billions in donations from the corporations either.

	20-03-2003 05:00									#49
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Maybe you don't have to, but then we socialists don't get billions in donations from the corporations either.

Maybe you should stop talking about "shareing the wealth" then.

	20-03-2003 05:03									#50
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BAH!

	20-03-2003 05:07									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar If you disagree with the resolution, please say why.

The basic premise is flawed with respect to keeping the commies out. The fundamental asset of Iraq is oil, and the oil fields are nationalized assets, due to the highly prejudicial arrangements obtained by the Brits from their string of lackeys back in the pre-OPEC games.

Rebuilding infrastructure is fine, making sure schools are functioning is fine, establishing or reestablishing a banking system is fine, but there is a major issue with any privatization or other structural changes in oil asset ownership or management.

That is a decision, in whatever form it takes, properly reserved to the Iraqi electorate, not to some foreign occupation government.

	20-03-2003 05:08									#52
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Didn't stop the US from doing it in both Bosnia and Kosovo.

	20-03-2003 05:10									#53
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Didn't stop the US from doing it in both Bosnia and Kosovo.

How much oil do they have?

	20-03-2003 05:11									#54
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Or us from doing so in Japan...

	20-03-2003 05:15									#55
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Japan didn't have nationalist ownership of property or resources.

Whose name was that on the Zero?

We did, however, set up a corrupt one-party system that is the single biggest reason the Japanese economy's been in the toilet for over a decade.

	20-03-2003 05:29									#56
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"The fundamental asset of Iraq is oil, and the oil fields are nationalized assets, due to the highly prejudicial arrangements obtained by the Brits from their string of lackeys back in the pre-OPEC games."

Wrong, The fundamental asset we will be gaining is power. As in, not worrying about our power decreased by a WMDized Iraq, not being humiliated by the French forcing to not do something, and turning the most hostile state in the region to the most friendly one. Power in the Middle East region is what we need to fight the War on Terorism.

	20-03-2003 05:52									#57
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Back on track, please.

	20-03-2003 06:08									#58
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http://www.defendamerica.mil/nmam.html

	21-03-2003 00:38									#59
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Slowwhand; that and Navy Newstand are some of my most visited sites.

	21-03-2003 00:45									#60
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quote: We did, however, set up a corrupt one-party system

oh, yeah, what's their name? the Liberals ? the democrats? something like that.