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Kramerman
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UT, Austin - The live music capital of the world
Jun 2002
time: 23:26
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Originally posted by Spiffor
This war is sure not all about oil, but is partly about oil. The US need a reliable source of oil to deal with Saudi Arabia, terrorism-financer extraordinaire (I have been more detailed in several other posts, and I get bored writing the same thing over and over again, so no details for you  ). So far, the US were handcuffed by Saudi, which explains how low the tensions are, with a regime obviously linked with terrorism and Al Qaeda.
I suppose you would agree with this statement, K.  |
partially, my friend, but not entirely. See, the US currently only gets about 14% (IIRC) of our oil from the ME, and the US has been rapidly moving to other sources since 9/11 (for the very reasons you speak of), such as Venezuela and the rapidly expanding Russian oil market, which has and will diminish this percentage of our ME oil imports even more.
Also, under the UN program of "food for oil", the US can obtain most all of the cheap oil it needs from Iraq... Saddam is more than willing to supply, for the extra cash he scraps up from this. There is no need to invade Iraq for oil, IN THE SHORT TERM, a we have all the supply we would ever need, UNDER THE CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES.
these are all arguements i have posted many time before, along with others, that clearly refute the idea of this being a war just for oil.
However, the fear of Saddams WoMD does create a fear that he could sieze his neighbors, and hold a world coalition at bay by threatening Israel or somethn with his WoMD - effectively holding them hostage. In essence, he would then capture a major world supply of oil (Iraq's own, along with whatever countries he captures, like kuwait and/or Saudi Arabia or somethn), and with his new position, he would not be obligated nor need to comply with the food for oil program. Tho the US doesnt get much oil from there anyway, Japan and Europe do (70%, IIRC). How Saddam would handle the supply is creepy, If he just sat on it, oil prices would spike world wide, and the effects on the economy would be drastic, which, there is no reason to believe Saddam wouldnt do this. 
So, in a way, the war is partially for oil IN A STRATEGIC sense, i never have disputed this, i have only disputed those who say it is "all about oil and the greedy Imperialist americans wanting to capitalize at the expense of the poor innocent Iraqi people..."
Kman
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Master Zen
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of naughty
Jan 2003
time: 23:26
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here's an even better idea for all you US unilateralists:
taken directly from this week's The Onion (which is hilarious btw, the best they've done in a long time) www.theonion.com
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U.S. Forms Own U.N.
WASHINGTON, DC—Frustrated with the United Nations' "consistent, blatant regard for the will of its 188 member nations," the U.S. announced Monday the formation of its own international governing body, the U.S.U.N.
"The U.N. has repeatedly demonstrated an inability to act decisively in carrying out actions the U.S. government deems necessary," U.S.U.N. Secretary General Colin Powell said. "Every time we tried to get something accomplished, it inevitably got bogged down in procedural policies, bureaucratic formalities, and Security Council votes."
"I predict the U.S.U.N. will be extremely influential in world politics in the coming decades," Powell continued. "In fact, you can count on it."
The new organization will be based in Houston, where a $400 million U.S.U.N. Building is currently under construction. The U.S.U.N. Charter, ratified unanimously by delegates in a four-minute vote Monday, sets forth the mission of the organization as "the proliferation of peace and international economic, social, and humanitarian progress through deference to the U.S."
"The U.S.U.N. resembles the original in almost every way, right down to all the flags outside our headquarters," said Condoleezza Rice, a U.S. delegate to the U.S.U.N. "This organization will carry out peacekeeping missions all over the world, but, unlike the U.N., these missions will not be compromised by the threat of opposition by lesser nations."
In its first act, the U.S.U.N. Security Council unanimously backed a resolution to liberate Iraq's people and natural resources from the rule of Saddam Hussein.
"We gave the old U.N. a go for I don't know how many years, but it just wasn't working," said **** Cheney, a U.S. delegate to the U.S.U.N. "Really, I have no idea what we were doing sacrificing all that power and autonomy in exchange for a couple of lousy troops from New Zealand."
Added Cheney: "I can't tell you how much easier it is to achieve consensus when you don't have to worry about dissent."
Cheney, along with Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, Tom Ridge, and George W. Bush, make up the five permanent members of the 15-person U.S.U.N. Security Council.
"The five Security Council members have veto power to block U.S.U.N. resolutions for military action," Rumsfeld said. "Not that anyone would, but it's nice to have, nonetheless."
According to Powell, in spite of the fact that delegates hail from every corner of the U.S., General Assembly meetings have been refreshingly free of rancor.
"We've got Bill Frist from Tennessee, Tom DeLay from Texas, and Dennis Hastert from way up in Illinois," U.S.U.N. delegate Rick Santorum said. "Despite the diverse backgrounds of the delegates, cooperation has not been a problem—unlike at some outmoded, gridlocked international peacekeeping bodies I could name."
The official U.S.U.N. language is English. The official religion is Christianity.
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
time: 05:26
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quote:
Originally posted by Master Zen
here's an even better idea for all you US unilateralists:
taken directly from this week's The Onion (which is hilarious btw, the best they've done in a long time) www.theonion.com
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One not too many Nations will join it. The USA have no legal
authority to form than International body. All these rules and procress service than purpose to slow down hastely idear so clear thinking can take place. USA is haveing than hard time lineing up Nations to recognite they new puppy government in Iraq like they puppy government in Israel which doesnot belive in human right for non-jew and that the truth.
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
time: 05:26
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Originally posted by The Mad Monk
I know, but he's claiming otherwise. |
I will see you in court of law on this as I than an america and not all real america agree with you on the war with Iraq and I than also than republian.
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
time: 05:26
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Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
Are your posts encrypted? |
Who are you talking to.
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
time: 05:26
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Originally posted by Oerdin
For most of the last 500 years Tibet has been an independent country and it is only post WW2 that the communists invaded and occupied Tibet. Also since we're talking about the U.N. failing to act against naked aggression how about the Soviet invasion of Hungary & Afghanistan or China's invasion of Korea or half a dozen other post WW2 conflicts.
Face facts Russo. Having great powers ignore the UN is the norm not the exception. |
China only enter the Korea war because they felt threaten by than america divison on they border and all the anti-red china talk in america. The Soviet Union was than netural nation in the Korea War they did sent military aid to North Korea netural nation are allow to sent military aid to one side in a war. It not the dumb one side illegal america saying
that netural nation cannot do that.
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27-03-2003 05:26
Tho, the US is by far the biggest consumer of oil.
Sorry, I've been keeping an eye on this thread and I just had to comment on this.
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