23-03-2003 15:43									#481
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Unfortunately only U.S. friendly fire is capable of shooting things down.

I hear the same crap everytime when USAF lost one of its planes. The same was with F-117 in Yougoslavia.
I will not buy it.

	23-03-2003 16:04									#482
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explosion in CentCom in Qatar

it is now being called an accident, not an attack.

yes the enemy does get lucky once in a while. with all that ancient AA fire, eventually they will hit an enemy aircraft. I just doubt it has happened yet.

	23-03-2003 16:05									#483
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Serb,
US says never the Stealth in Yugo was downed by friendly fire. Check your words please and do not post rumors :-(

To US posters
It is normal international practice when third party's militaries are providing reconnaisance operations during war or even military exercises. FYI, Russia has several military intelligence centers very close to theatr who are working in absolutely legal way. The www.irakwar.ru site claims they publish updates coming from Russian military sources. Mention they've published infos about accidents of MH-53 and 2 UK choppers before it had been announced by coalition military.

I stop this discussion. If you want more explanation, tell me another thread where I can give it.

	23-03-2003 16:18									#484
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quote: Originally posted by GRU Serb, US says never the Stealth in Yugo was downed by friendly fire. Check your words please and do not post rumors :-(

Rumors?
IIRC, first they said that plane was lost due technical problems and only after months Pentagon officialy confirmed that plane was shot down. That's what I was talking about.

Could you translate this article http://www.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_art...p?articleId=512 about USAF losses during last four days?

	23-03-2003 16:43									#485
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And now - the Iraqi point of view. Abstract of Ar-Rawi today's speach, who is the Iraqi Army spokesman.
Sources - numerous including BBC :-)

Totally, 5 coalition planes and 2 helicopters have been shot down by defending troops. Number of coalition casualties is considerable.

US/UK mass media are spreading false information about war. As an example, the commander of 51st division is not surrendered; even more, Mr. Ar-Raui has spoke to him by phone just before briefing.

77 civilians are dead and 366 are injured in Basra as a result of colaition bombing. 4 are dead and 4 are injured in Tikrit, native city of Saddam Hussein.

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	23-03-2003 16:45									#486
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ITAR-TASS again:

quote: Iraq air defence downs five US planes two helicopters 23.03.2003 By Dmitry Zelenin DOHA, March 23 (Itar-Tass) - The Iraqi air defence downed five U.S. warplanes and two helicopter gunships over the four days of war, said on Sunday in Baghdad the Iraqi army spokesman Hazem al-Raui. According to the spokesman, "the aggressor's troops are suffering substantial losses". The spokesman accused the U.S. and British mass media "of promoting the psychological war against Iraq". He instanced as an example a report on "the surrender of the 51st mechanised division near Basra". The general specified that he called, before the news conference, the division commander who refuted the reported. Information Minister Mohammed Said al-Sahhaf, opening the news conference, quoted data on casualties during air raids on Basra. According to the minister, raids killed 77 civilians and 366 people were wounded. Four people died in Tikrit, the native town of Saddam Hussein, and four were hospitalised with wounds after an air raid.

http://www.itar-tass.ru/english/allnews/242505.html


GRU, thanks for translation, but I've found original on English.

	23-03-2003 17:14									#487
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Summary of Iraqi military claims done by AFP

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...aq_war_resist_1

	23-03-2003 17:36									#488
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BBC and Al-Jazeera report that Iraqi soldiers are searching banks of Tigris river in Baghdad looking for coalition pilot who reportedly ejected over city.

	23-03-2003 17:45									#489
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the iraqis have taken pows and will show them on tv soon, according to vice-president Taha Yassin.

the soldiers were captured in Souq al-Shuyukh, south east of Nassiriya

	23-03-2003 18:36									#490
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quote: BBC and Al-Jazeera report that Iraqi soldiers are searching banks of Tigris river in Baghdad looking for coalition pilot who reportedly ejected over city.

they've been found now, according to al-jazeera. doesn't say if they're dead or alive thouh

	23-03-2003 19:01									#491
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Al-Jazeera:
citizens of Ribia town near Syrian border fight the coalition paratroopers.

	23-03-2003 19:39									#492
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The Iraqi FM : "Israel takes part in the attack on Iraq... we found an Israeli missile in Baghdad".

And just to clarify, what they found wasnt a missile but a flight computer.

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	23-03-2003 19:48									#493
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The United States believes "some" US troops have gone missing in Iraq and could be held as prisoners of war by the Iraqi military, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld revealed.

"We believe there are some American soldiers missing," he said Sunday.

Asked whether they were being held as prisoners of war, Rumsfeld replied: "They could be."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm..._us_prisoners_1

	23-03-2003 19:50									#494
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Marines are said to have suffered at least 50 casualties in fighting in Nassiriya

http://news.bbc.co.uk

	23-03-2003 20:06									#495
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quote: Marines are said to have suffered at least 50 casualties in fighting in Nassiriya

50 injured, NBC says that some are dead.

Rumsfeld confirms - 11 POWs. (Israeli Channel 10 TV)

	23-03-2003 20:17									#496
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ABCNEWS:

It is not just regular [Iraqi] army people but militia, people in plainclothes doing the fighting against coalition troops in Nassiriya.

P.S. Shall I remind that yesterday Russian sources denied coalition claims that Nassiriya is captured?

	23-03-2003 20:21									#497
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The Iraqi TV shows pictures of coalition soldiers bodies.

	23-03-2003 20:23									#498
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quote: Originally posted by GRU ABCNEWS: It is not just regular [Iraqi] army people but militia, people in plainclothes doing the fighting against coalition troops in Nassiriya.

"Iraqi commanders dispatched Fedayeen counterinsurgency fighters from Baghdad to Nasiriya over the past two weeks, military sources told ABCNEWS. The fighters were meant to bolster regular army soldiers, whose loyalty to Saddam Hussein is considered questionable, the sources said.

The Fedayeen fighters were to be used in urban combat and to threaten potential defectors with death if they didn't fight, the sources said.

One of Saddam's cousins is known to command the Nasiriya area, and is believed to be surrounded by handpicked loyalist troops."

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/worl...main030323.html

	23-03-2003 20:24									#499
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Liberated Iraqis Doubt U.S. Motives

Slow Aid and Other Concerns Fuel Iraqi Discontent Toward United States

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/...fwan030322.html

	23-03-2003 20:38									#500
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quote: Originally posted by cronos_qc Babelfish doing a very good job to translate site web in other language, but if anybody have a tool to translate ARABIC to ENGLISH,, this can be real coool! I will love to read web page of Al-Jazeera

http://tarjim.ajeeb.com/ajeeb

This is the only arabic-english translator I know, it's pretty good but sometimes alot of text doesn't get translated. Currently 90% of the frontpage and the main story are translated, but when I used it yesterday only a few phrases were translated

Sample:

US reinforcements in Umm Qasr and new raid on Baghdad
Five explosions at least rocked the suburbs of the Iraqi capital Baghdad, while the US and British forces are still launching their air attacks on the city. Meanwhile, the US army sent reinforcements to its forces in Umm Qasr, in which there is a violent resistance against the invading troops. On the other hand, US fighters attacked Mosul area.

	23-03-2003 20:39									#501
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quote: Originally posted by Chilean President Have you heard something about a crash of an F-16 on Baghdad? Santiago Pavlovic, chilean correspondant in Iraq to TVN is now saying: "We saw tonight a huge explotion in the north side of the river (Tigris) that blind us for a second. Iraqi officials are saying that anti-aircraft artillery have shot down an American F-16 and it crashes with an oil station, that could answer about the huge explotion that we just saw. They're also saying that the American pilot is alive 'cause he eject himself before the crash. Anyway this information hasn't been confirmed by other journalists". Do anyone have information about this????

Well I post that information last night, but is now confirmed by Al-Jazeera. Anyway there are not saying which kind of aircraft was shooted down. If anyone have more information about this please post it.

In some other news..
TVN correspondant: A unknow number of British soldiers surreded to iraqi forces in South Iraq. In fights for Umm Qassar the official number of deaths is 6 (3 Iraqis, 3 Americans), and 10 American soldiers are missing (Confirmation by The Pentagon).

	23-03-2003 20:41									#502
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Al-Jazeera live:

4 bodies of coalition soldiers shown
5 US PoW shown, 1 is a woman and she is injured. They told their names and IDs.

	23-03-2003 20:44									#503
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BAGHDAD, March 23 (Reuters) - Iraqi television showed film on Sunday of at least four bodies, said to be U.S. soldiers, and five prisoners who said they were American.

Two of the prisoners, including a woman, appeared to be wounded. One was lying on the floor on a rug.

They were the first U.S. prisoners known to have been taken by Iraq. The prisoners were questioned on air and gave their names, military identification numbers and home towns.

The bodies and prisoners were shown on Iraqi television, relayed by Al-Jazeera.

	23-03-2003 20:47									#504
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Al-Jazeera showed interviews of arrested americans(greek tv stations showed at least 2 of the 5-6)

	23-03-2003 20:55									#505
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The woman said she was with the 507 maintenance.

	23-03-2003 21:01									#506
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They are all from maintanance, not sure if all from 507.

	23-03-2003 21:08									#507
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CENTCOM:
http://www.centcom.mil/CENTCOMNews/...se=20030350.txt

1 US soldier died and 1 injured in a vehicle accident in southern Iraq this morning.

	23-03-2003 21:16									#508
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Summary of confirmed coalition losses. Some are not included yet till Pentagon or MoD will say it happens really.

1 UK aircraft
3 US helicopters
2 UK helicopters
8 US servicemen killed, 22 injured
14 UK servicemen killed
2 UK servicemen missed

COMBAT:
1 UK aircraft (friendly fire)
2 US servicemen killed, 8 injured
2 UK servicemen missed (friendly fire)

Sources: US/UK military

	23-03-2003 21:16									#509
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CHV FLASHNEWS: An aircraft has been shooted down by iraqi anti-air artillery. At this point CHV can report that the aircraft was not American but British. Iraqi officials are now saying that both British pilots have been captured.

	23-03-2003 21:31									#510
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Al-Jazeera live:

A British pilot, who has been captured in Baghdad, is shown.