21-03-2003 00:25									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin Leland, I'm simply peeved at Joeno who underevaluates my value for the project and all the work I have done. He hasn't even said thank you for anything I have done. What a *****.

Hmmm... just like you didn't bother to thank Mark and Dan for their original support... all you did was insult them and try to lay some of the blame at their feet.

	21-03-2003 00:31									#32
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Ming,

you have little to no knowledge about the Stella Polaris, so your statements have no real value for the discussion, except for getting a chance to vent by pointing at me, plus taking a few +1s, despite those shouldn't interest you. Please, discuss something in the OTF or go out with the other ferret, but please don't discuss StP now. You're only going to derail the thread. Thanks!

	21-03-2003 00:37									#33
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I'll stop if you personally apologize for the crap you laid at Mark's and Dan's feet... And thank them for what they did do for your team. If you want to continue pissing on some people that HELPED you, I will continue to voice my opinions ON THEIR FORUMS.

	21-03-2003 01:01									#34
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From now on I will only discuss it with them, rather than you.

	21-03-2003 01:03									#35
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You abused them in public... you can apologize in public... Or aren't you man enough to do that.

And based on what you have posted in this thread, it is easy to see that your problems have been self inflicted.

	21-03-2003 01:09									#36
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I will appologise in public, if they want to hear an appology. That is a promise.

	21-03-2003 01:16									#37
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I'm sorry for my second post, but this one is not 2 days after the last post. (BTW, I didn't even notice that )



However, as for the despair of Stella Polaris:

	21-03-2003 01:17									#38
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Well... until I see it in print here... You are stuck with me.

They give you a place on their forum... Helped promote you, and you whine because you wanted more.

And then you use their forum to insult them.

You should be thanking them for the support they gave your project... Instead, you vaguely imply that they might be one of the causes of YOUR problems...

How sad...

	21-03-2003 01:49									#39
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It's not because I WANTED more, it's because they PROMISED more. Ming, as you don't know all small details, you cannot judge everything. Despite you think you're the all-seeing eye of Apolyton, you're not. I have talked to Dan and Markos by e-mail, so yes, I know more than you. If Markos promises to create Game Development Teams Civgroups, then you would expect him to do it. And the same goes for all The Column writings. If someone promises to publish them within a few weeks, then you would expect that to happen as they promise so and nothing else is heard from them. As for the Alt.Civs update, I was promised that it would be added.

I guess there are promises and Promises.

If my texts aren't yet going to be published, could someone at least give them back to me so that I could archive them?

Rasbelin, dissatisfied customer

	21-03-2003 02:03									#40
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I've been trying to stay out, but I feel the need to remark one thing here, Ras. About the promises. It's not uncommon for people to promise something and have it not done. Yes, it's sad and bad, but unfortunately true. And, this is espeically true on the Internet. That's because this forum is a virtual place that basically doesn't exist, and it's just a way of spending free time for us - I believe that Markos, who is a full-time student and has a job, has quite some work to do, so I understand his inability to do the things he wants to do in time - but that's not because he doesn't want to do them.

	21-03-2003 02:16									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin Rasbelin, dissatisfied customer

Translated to read... Rasbelin... Major League Whiner.

They gave him a bunch but not everything he wanted...
BUMMER. Life is tough, deal with it instead of trying to blame others for your problems.

From reading your review of events... It's obvious where the real problems are... Your STAFF, not Apolyton.

All the things you have mentioned that Mark/Dan didn't do would have had a marginal positive effect on YOUR project at best. The placement of blame for failure should be obvious to anybody that reads this thread.

	21-03-2003 02:21									#42
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Ras, shut up. You don't have the slightest clue of how much it takes to manage a massive site like Apolyton. Markos and Dan could quite possibly have a to-do list with more lines than the code for Stella Polaris will ever have. I only take care of some of the work in the CtP sections and I can often barely handle the workload. Markos and Dan do over 10 times more work in roughly the same amount of time. My respect for Markos and Dan has sky-rocketed since I started doing staff work (and it was already quite high before that) - one simply cannot understand what a huge undertaking it is to run a website like Apolyton if one does not have first-hand experience. So I suggest you get some experience with running a major community (not a comparatively tiny project like Stella Polaris) before making accussations and insults if Markos and Dan can't obey your every wish instantly. They give you a lot of support - maybe not everything you hoped for (or even what they may or may not have promised you), but more than they were obliged to give you (i.e. nothing). That you couldn't do more with it than you did is not their fault.

	21-03-2003 02:23									#43
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Solver,

I do know the difference, that's why I answered in a rhetoric way "I guess there is promises and Promises." It's actually a cliché.

Ming,

you're now just mean.

	21-03-2003 02:27									#44
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A clever phrase: "Whenever you want to accuse others of promises not kept, think of the ones you didn't keep".

	21-03-2003 02:28									#45
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Solver

	21-03-2003 02:30									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus Ras, shut up.

Thanks, Loc!

quote: So I suggest you get some experience with running a major community (not a comparatively tiny project like Stella Polaris) before making accussations and insults if Markos and Dan can't obey your every wish instantly.

I never said instantly (I have never expected instant service), but I assume 4-5 months for several The Column writings is abit long.

	21-03-2003 02:31									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin Ming, you're now just mean.

This coming from a man who insults his hosts

Plus... not mean, just the truth. If you read through your own review of the situation, you will see that ALL the major problems with your project are due to your own team. That's a fact.

Blaming Mark and Dan for not providing you with trivial things that would have had little impact is criminal at best.

Your key players WALKED... and that's the problem, not Apolyton.

	21-03-2003 02:32									#48
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What's up with you today, Ras?
I've always seen you as okay, but now you just are childish and rude... What's the point in accusing people and being so unpolite?

	21-03-2003 02:35									#49
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Whatever. Bugger off, Ming and Nikolai. I've had enough of life now.

	21-03-2003 02:39									#50
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Ahh... you can dish out insults to people, but the truth bothers you...

You can't hide from reality... read your own write up again... The reality of the situation is quite clear.

	21-03-2003 02:40									#51
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You prove our points by acting like that... But calm down now. You gain nothing by being angry and rude.

	21-03-2003 02:53									#52
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Yeah... he comes here and posts a thread insulting the owners of the site that supported them, and then thinks nobody is going to respond to it. Yeah, right...

	21-03-2003 02:55									#53
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Of course I don't gain anything. A small ban would be nice now. Actually I don't care what you think about me. Ming, gimme a ban. You want to give one anyway. Nikolai, whatever. You're a nice chap, so don't bother when I'm depressed. You're wasting your life at this thread.

	21-03-2003 03:00									#54
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Yeah... act rude and insult people, than laugh it off... Shows everybody a lot... Maybe it isn't a surprise your project died...

	21-03-2003 03:05									#55
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WTF?

What's going on with StP at CGN in that case?

	21-03-2003 03:07									#56
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"From ashes to ashes, from dust to dust. "

Ah well.

	21-03-2003 03:14									#57
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I'm saddened...

	21-03-2003 03:22									#58
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Ming, let the kid sleep it of. All your posts will only add oil to the fire. When Ras rereads his posts tomorrow he will probably see that he went over the line...

Happened to all of us, on the net and in real life...

	21-03-2003 03:33									#59
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Kid? Whatever... None the less Ming, you're going overboard too now by stating this thread shows why the project died.

BTW, screw Apolyton, Ming.

* Rasbelin gets something more to drink.

	21-03-2003 03:38									#60
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Ming, close this, PCR/ban him, get it over with.
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