22-03-2003 07:34									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: Idiots are the majority..hence the majority on both sides. I agree with you yet again, GePap, you bastard...

Its part of my new psy-ops campaign

	22-03-2003 07:35									#32
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quote: Its part of my new psy-ops campaign

You sure have me confused. I'm thinking about surrendering...

	22-03-2003 07:35									#33
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Don't forget about the general rule of thumb to do the exact opposite France does, also.

	22-03-2003 07:36									#34
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quote: Don't forget about the general rule of thumb to do the exact opposite France does, also.

So true...

	22-03-2003 07:36									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: Maybe because most anti-war folks aren't out in the streets blocking traffic? That doesn't mean the people at home are any smarter... The fact that celebrities have been stuck carrying the torch for the anti-war movement makes me think that there aren't many experts that support that point of view...

That's a misperception because the media is only interested in covering celebrities. Joe American at home doesn't care about seeing an interview with Noam Chomsky, now does he?

There are plenty of articulate, intelligent and passionate anti-war people.

	22-03-2003 07:37									#36
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quote: Joe American at home doesn't care about seeing an interview with Noam Chomsky, now does he?

If Noam Chomsky is your idea of an expert, you have serious problems...

	22-03-2003 07:37									#37
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Who would like to see an interview with Noam Chomsky?

	22-03-2003 07:38									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Don't forget about the general rule of thumb to do the exact opposite France does, also.

America had better cut military spending and elect a left wing president then.

	22-03-2003 07:39									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman Anti-war. The 'case for war' is based almost entirely on deception, the non-existant terrorist link and the grossly inflated effectiveness of CB weapons in particular.

Well, in a few weeks we will know if there was any BCN weapons. We now know that he did have a few Scuds around, which he Saddam said he had none. One of them crashed or was shot down in Kuwait a few hours ago. They took some reporter to see it.
I was not antiwar nor was I pro war. I wanted Saddam and sons to have a heart attack, but that was not going to happen. I will not be sad when he is gone. If there was another way to get him out, I would have been very please.
What I did not want to happen is our people getting killed to remove Saddam. However we all know now that 8 British, and 6 American are now dead. I feel very sad for those familles.
I hope that the every day Iraqis keep their heads down so they will survive. The Government of Iraq, bye bye.

	22-03-2003 07:40									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman America had better cut military spending and elect a left wing president then.

Eh? Is France's president really right wing compared to Bushie?

And I do agree with the cut military spending part, BTW.

People tend to hate you less when you're less likely to kick their ass.

	22-03-2003 07:44									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Eh? Is France's president really right wing compared to Bushie?

SInce he hasn't declared war to abortion, doesn't fill his speeches with religious babble, and chose to disband welfare only slowly, I guess you can call him a commie too.

	22-03-2003 07:45									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor SInce he hasn't declared war to abortion, doesn't fill his speeches with religious babble, and chose to disband welfare only slowly, I guess you can call him a commie too.

Nice troll. Completely offbase, irrelevant, knee-jerk.

Typical anti-war drivel now that I think of it.

And the man is French, there's no need to insult commies.

	22-03-2003 07:46									#43
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I wish I could troll as well as Spiffor. My brief foray into one-trick ponyism didn't turn out so well...

	22-03-2003 07:48									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten I wish I could troll as well as Spiffor. My brief foray into one-trick ponyism didn't turn out so well...

<- Notice my total lack of a clue of what you're talking about as evidence of that...

	22-03-2003 07:50									#45
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My failure is complete...

	22-03-2003 07:53									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Who would like to see an interview with Noam Chomsky?

Exactly.

Drake, I didn't say Chomsky was an expert on anything, I was citing him as an example of an intelligent, rational and passionate anti-war voice.

	22-03-2003 07:55									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten I wish I could troll as well as Spiffor. My brief foray into one-trick ponyism didn't turn out so well...

Don't worry. You taught me much, and I consider you as a model. Your foray in trolling has been quite successful, even though it didn't reach the masterwork of our best ponies.

	22-03-2003 07:55									#48
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I'm opposed to this war because it creates more problems in the long-run.

For the first time in history, one country has the power to invade any country, anywhere in the world, and the only ones who can defend themselves are those with nuclear weapons.

Now this nation has decided to go to war unilaterally, a war that a majority of the world opposes, but is powerless to stop.

The message is clear to the countries that are on the US hit list. They're next. So they will beef up their military spending. They will race to obtain nuclear weapons and any other weapon to defend themselves. They've got nothing to lose because they know the US is out to get them.

End result, a much more dangerous world.

Meanwhile, the US has alienated most of its former allies. This creates political tensions that will have long lasting effects.

The US will win a victory in Iraq, but it will be a pyrrhic victory.

	22-03-2003 07:58									#49
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Tingkai, not to mention the costs at home. Given concerns about "Terrorism" the trend of rolling back traditional civil liberties is a bit frightening.

[Hoping for too much] Let's hope that the current administration quits while it's ahead... [/Hoping for too much]

	22-03-2003 07:59									#50
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I sincerely doubt that other countries would beef up military spending on the sole basis that the US kicked ass in Iraq.

They can beef it up all they want, they won't be able to beat it. I'd think they'd know that. The US is content on beefing up to match any opposition, and will probably invade you if you start to build up your army noticably.

Seeing how the US forces are treating Iraqis and Iraqi Citizens, I think the people who oppose the war have a lot of explaining todo.

Why are the citizens ripping down posters of Saddam while cheering if they liked him?
Why are they shaking US soldier's hands and smiling?
Why hasn't the US taken out the power grid?
Why has the US made it so easy to surrender, while even letting Iraqi officers keep their sidearms?

People are making the US out to be a monster, and that's proven not to be the case. What happened?

	22-03-2003 08:06									#51
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Glonkie, Hussein is a nasty bastard. In fact, he has been one all along. Being one didn't stop the US from being friendly to him, and it certainly didn't stop Cheney from shaking hands with him. If you somehow think that's the real cause, you are either naive or deluded.

	22-03-2003 08:07									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Why are the citizens ripping down posters of Saddam while cheering if they liked him? Why are they shaking US soldier's hands and smiling? Why hasn't the US taken out the power grid? Why has the US made it so easy to surrender, while even letting Iraqi officers keep their sidearms? People are making the US out to be a monster, and that's proven not to be the case. What happened?

Are you seeing the whole picture, or are you just seeing what they want you to see?

	22-03-2003 08:09									#53
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What else is there to see?

	22-03-2003 08:10									#54
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I am glad we are doing what we.

Saddam has gotten what he deserves and sad, much like we lost innocent citizens during 9-1-1, innocent citizens of Iraq will too suffer.

BUT, fortunes of War, we need to put an end to Saddams Regime, his infrastructure, possible predessors such as his sons and Iraqs military response possibilities against our coalition.

Also put an end to areas of the world the protect,train and finance terrorists!

I say Go ahead and make that area a large parking lot!


Sure help them out after but teach Iraq a lesson that the whole world sees!


Screw with the USA and see what you get!


I know lots of countries dont have what it takes to deter terrorism worldwide, but diplomacy time has come and gone....

I am so tired of bleeding -hearts saying "just 2 more weeks".....

Mess with Texas indeed!!!!!!


Peace

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	22-03-2003 08:11									#55
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Asher :
I am ready to thank America if they oust Saddam and destroy its regime with minimal casualties on all sides. I am ready to thank America if their attack, as ill-minded as it is, actually liberates Iraq without spilling too much blood and without raising hate against the US and the West.

I am ready to do this, but I'll have to wait for the end of the war beforehand. Things aren't too ugly yet, because nearly no significant resistance has been found. The "let them surrender" policy has been an excellent idea, and I hope it'll work until the end.

I fear urban warfare proves much less "beautiful" than desert warfare was. I also fear the Iraqis will progressively hate the US after their joy of beeing freed from Hussein. Should my pessimistic views on the future be denied by a successful operation, I will not hesitate saying I was wrong to oppose the war.
Should my pessimistic views of the future be confirmed, I won't hesitate to say "I told you so".

	22-03-2003 08:15									#56
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quote: Don't worry. You taught me much, and I consider you as a model. Your foray in trolling has been quite successful, even though it didn't reach the masterwork of our best ponies.

Thanks Spiff.

	22-03-2003 08:17									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I am ready to thank America if they oust Saddam and destroy its regime with minimal casualties on all sides. I am ready to thank America if their attack, as ill-minded as it is, actually liberates Iraq without spilling too much blood and without raising hate against the US. I am ready to do this, but I'll have to wait for the end of the war beforehand. Things aren't ugly yet, because nearly no significant resistance has been found. The "let them surrender" policy has been an excellent idea, and I hope it'll work until the end. I fear urban warfare proves much less "beautiful" than desert warfare was. I also fear the Iraqis will progressively hate the US after their joy of beeing freed from Hussein. Should my pessimistic views on the future be denied by a successful operation, I will not hesitate saying I was wrong to oppose the war. Should my pessimistic views of the future be confirmed, I won't hesitate to say "I told you so".

Not likely you will find many folks who say what you do and have any true convictions of reality,

We, being the USA, arent here to win popularity contests, but to bring Saddam and his regime DOWN!!


We dont necessarily want a lot of bloodshed, but time for putting an end to this BULL$hite he has been putting up for the world to see and a s general rule, ignoring.

I dont mind stepping up to the podium and say our prayers are with you IRAQ Citizens but time to pay the piper!

I dont really care if the citizens of Iraq love or hate us, we need to remove this dictator and be done with him!


Peace

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	22-03-2003 08:53									#58
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quote: Are you seeing the whole picture, or are you just seeing what they want you to see?

UR, I fully agree!

Some of the images shown on CNN are propaganda at its best. Every reasonably intelligent person should know that. Saddam uses his propaganda and the Coalition uses theirs.

The war in Iraq is not the only war that is being fought. The war in the newsrooms is the next best thing.



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	22-03-2003 09:04									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Troll I dont really care if the citizens of Iraq love or hate us

You should.
Terrorists don't only get their financial support and manpower from the wealthy or Saudi. Many Arabs are sympathetic to the cause, and give small part of their money to terrorist organizations, or Islamist organizations affiliated with terrorists behind the scenes.
This support is more or less directly fueled by the hate of Israel and of the US.
The more the Arabs hate the US, the stronger terrorists are. If you want to avoid another Sept. 11, and I'm sure you want, it is needed to deal with the roots of terrorists' support.
Trying to get loved by the Iraqi is a fine way to begin with. I just hope it'll turn all right, and that Iraqis will sincerely go to the streets praising US/UK troops for the liberation. But I doubt it will be ass good looking as it'll look on TV. And resentment can grow after the liberation too, if the US botches sympathy.

Don't forget, the "rabidly antiamerican" French were praising the Star-Spangled banners they had just homemade when US troops came to liberate France. Keeping this sympathy needs an effort too.

	22-03-2003 09:22									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Dominikos UR, I fully agree! Some of the images shown on CNN are propaganda at its best. Every reasonably intelligent person should know that. Saddam uses his propaganda and the Coalition uses theirs.

Yes, the coalition has a grand conspiracy and direct control over the Associated Press, Reuters, CNN, BBC, CBC, etc.