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Whom would you have made Captain of USS Voyager? (Time out:0 days after 22-03-2003, 05:32)
Chakotay
Tom Paris
B'Elanna Torres
Tuvok
Annika "7of9" Hansen
The Doctor
Harry Kim
Neelix
Kes
Wesley Crusher
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For the few who might not know, Capt Smith was the captain of the Titanic. But since he went down with the ship, he's probably not available.

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MBD, I was wondering about that. Thank you for the info.


Anyway,
First time: TNG: Worf gets unstuck in reality, gets tossed about into different versions of the timeline. Climax has barriers between realities breaking down and hundreds of Enterprises appearing. Riker is at the helm of one from a reality where the Borg have overrun the Alpha Quadrant. "We won't go back!"

Another Enterprise takes out his ship.

Second Time: TNG Series Finale: Riker at the helm of a refitted future Enterprise-D. Helps 2 versions of the same ship from earlier timeframes close a fissure in space-time.

His Enterprise folds under the pressure.

Third Time: TNG's First Movie: Brief battle with a Bird of Prey. Engineering Section goes boom while Saucer tries to limp away to safe distance. Crashlands on planet below. Picard fails to stop the sun in that system from being destroyed.

Enterprise Engineering Section goes boom, then Saucer Section goes splat when the star goes nova and its shockwave hits the planet.

Fourth Time: Same Movie, alternate outcome: Picard manages to save the star, but Riker still manages to lose the Engineering Section to battle damage and crashes the Saucer Section.



That man should never be given a ship to command...

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I voted for Tuvok. I think Paris, Kim, Neelix, Torres... well... all of them would have become a bit more extreme, in their own unique ways, if the Vulcan took over.

In the long run, the crew would have ended up less cohesive, but it probably would have been funnier.

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For the few who might not know, Capt Smith was the captain of the Titanic. But since he went down with the ship, he's probably not available.


He'd be ideal, as the Voyager would have been toast after 4 days, and saved us the agony of the entire series.

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What's wrong Godunov? Can't stand the thought of a female commanding a ship?

I would love to be the first officer under a female captain!

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Yeah, we all know how mysoginist I am...

No, it's the crappy show that's the problem.

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Kes, just because Jennifer Lien has a great voice and is a damn fine actress (once she gets her eye in).

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Kes, just because Jennifer Lien has a great voice and is a damn fine actress (once she gets her eye in).


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Janeway did just fine.
I was a little concern when they said a lady Capt., but after watching the show for a while, she did OK.


I refer you to the
Court-Martial of Captain Kathryn Janeway.

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Sorry. Britishism...'getting your eye in' means once you've done it enough to get into the swing of it. Like ice-skating - you keep falling over until you get your eye in.

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Sorry. Britishism...'getting your eye in' means once you've done it enough to get into the swing of it. Like ice-skating - you keep falling over until you get your eye in.


In that case I agree, Jennifer Lien is a good actress. Too bad she hasn't done much after American History X.

Does anyone know what the original Kes story arc was supposed to be? Clearly, her life span was supposed to end at the same time as the show, since she was one year old in season one and would only live to year eight, IIRC.

Was her abrupt evolution when J. Lien left the show merely a speeded up version of it?

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And I voted for Chakotay because he wound up with 7of9 over that doofus Harry Kim. I never thought The Doctor was a good match for her anyway, although they did have plenty of chemistry.

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Does anyone know what the original Kes story arc was supposed to be? Clearly, her life span was supposed to end at the same time as the show, since she was one year old in season one and would only live to year eight, IIRC.

Was her abrupt evolution when J. Lien left the show merely a speeded up version of it?


They wanted to get rid of a character when they brought in 7 of 9 as they reckoned the show was getting a little crowded, and at the time it was a toss-up between Kes and Harry Kim. Personally I think Kes's character was ruined by Neelix - I mean, what was that all about? The kid was a year old...ewww... Harry is a low-grade nuisance, only there as half a double-act, while Kes had a lot more depth to her - Warlord was a fantastic episode where she got possessed, and it called into question all sorts of things like self-determinism and everything.
So personally I would've booted Harry. Except he's kinda cute. But still.

As for her story arc...god only knows. I think she might've played off well against 7 of 9 - one a child with wisdom far beyond her years, the other an adult newly brought into the world. Possibly better than the Janeway-Seven mother-daughter thing, which always hacked me off something awful. Janeway's there to be a b1tch with a soft side, you can't play her off well against a b1tch without one.

Anyway. I have plot bunnies for a continuation of Kes's story, but it's unlikely ever to get beyond the first page - I just have too much else in my head that needs writing down.

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definitely Paris! he rules

then again 7of9

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They need soemthing to do that far out in space


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Personally I think Kes's character was ruined by Neelix - I mean, what was that all about? The kid was a year old...ewww...


Yeah, Neelix gave off the creepiest vibe in the Star Trek universe. He was generally all right in the kitchen, but he said and did some very strange things outside of it.

Plus, his character always seemed to be just slightly different from episode to episode. Was he a secret coward or a secret hero? A highly skilled survivalist or a buffoon? It was never clear.

The character was written very badly, but the actor brought a lot of subtlety to it, and the result was the weirdness that is Neelix.

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So personally I would've booted Harry. Except he's kinda cute. But still.


I always liked the Harry Kim character. The actor who played him did a fine job, and certainly had a few good moments in the role, especially when he broke out of Paris's shadow and did stuff on his own.

Unfortunately, he was written badly too, as they kept breaking him back to no-confidence Harry no matter what he did, and they only knew how to write him as Paris's sidekick.

His experience never seemed to build from episode to episode, so he never appeared to progress toward being the Starship captain they kept hinting this young ensign would become.

The result was massive boredom.

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As for her story arc...god only knows. I think she might've played off well against 7 of 9 - one a child with wisdom far beyond her years, the other an adult newly brought into the world. Possibly better than the Janeway-Seven mother-daughter thing, which always hacked me off something awful. Janeway's there to be a b1tch with a soft side, you can't play her off well against a b1tch without one.


I'd have to say it's a toss-up on whether I prefer the Janeway-Kes moments to the Janeway-Seven moments. Seven's secret was that she didn't want to be a b1tch, even though Janeway kept trying to turn her into one (or keep her one).

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what about Tuvix (the one epsode of voyager i saw )

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Was there a particular reason why 7 should wear different uniform than the rest of the crew? Apart the fact that it looked good on her?

Not that the regular would have looked bad... 2x

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Was there a particular reason why 7 should wear different uniform than the rest of the crew? Apart the fact that it looked good on her?


Probably b/c she wasn't in Star Fleet. Not sure this is an entirely official, but:

http://sevens-alcove.virtualave.net/uniform.htm

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Contrary to popular belief, Seven's costumes are not painted on. You probably wondered why Seven of Nine's costume changed from a tight, brown spandex jumpsuit, to an even tighter, blue and silver spandex jumpsuit. There is an actual technichal reason. Her brown regenerative suit's purpose was to assist her bodily functions while her human systems adapted to natural use. Since Seven's body is now 'fully functional,' she no longer needs her brown regenerative suit. Now she can wear more colourful outfits that are not StarFleet design.

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I wonder how they could tell.

I vote Tuvok... We need a Vulcan captain.

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I voted Tuvok. Starfleet would be a lot better if Vulcans were in charge of everything and humans just stayed home.

I should mention that I also hated what they did with 7 of 9. So much good character potential was wasted, sacrificed for mindless sex appeal. Why would a borg, someone who has spent her whole life in a suit of armor with all sorts of useful tools built in, choose to wear a flimsy jumpsuit? And what on earth were they thinking when they put her in high heels? They should at least had her wearing a regulation uniform.

I suspect that the character was created by a trek fan to be more serious, but that the network exectutives ruined it in search of a ratings boost. The sad thing is that it worked.

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The Doctor, of course. Doesn't anyone remember the Emergency Command Hologram?

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didnt vote for him but Wesley Crusher has those cool place-time thingy powers....he is a higher being and stuff...they would be back in the alpha quanderent in no time....only problem is that the serie would end to quickly

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