22-03-2003 16:32									#2
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I chatted with GT - but I doubt he is an active member in RP and/or even posted it

quote: Session Start: Sat Mar 22 21:55:01 2003 [21:55] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I have some news [21:55] GeneralTacticus> Yes? [21:55] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Completely unnofficial yet [21:55] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> GF has not played our turn yet [21:56] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Vox has invaded our continent [21:56] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Immortals & Settlers [21:56] GeneralTacticus> Where? [21:56] GeneralTacticus> Have they built a city yet? [21:56] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> They have a settler - next turn will be to build the city [21:56] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Then they can shuttle immortals over in one turen [21:57] GeneralTacticus> Should I announce this in the team forum? [21:57] GeneralTacticus> And where is the settler? [21:57] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> You have the full map of Bob right ? [21:57] GeneralTacticus> Dunno [21:58] GeneralTacticus> I need to catch up on geography. [21:58] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Yes you do ... [21:58] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Vox continent is 1 tile from our continent top right hand corner [21:58] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> they have a galley in that sea tile [21:59] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> stepping immortals over. [21:59] GeneralTacticus> Are you concerned that they intend to invade? [22:00] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> They are invading - I count 3 immortals 1 spearman & a settler [22:00] GeneralTacticus> I mean invade your territory. [22:00] GeneralTacticus> As in, go to war. [22:00] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Probably not ... But it is a stepping stone for a future invasion [22:01] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> What would RP's response be ? [22:01] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> A 4th civ on out continent [22:01] GeneralTacticus> Dunno, shall I bring it up on the forum? [22:01] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Yep - GF will no doubt send an official response [22:01] GeneralTacticus> I'm not empowered to speak for Spain, you see. [22:01] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I am trying to get a fealing from RP now. [22:02] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I cannot speak for GoW [22:02] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> This is unnofficial [22:02] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I am drafting some actions for our team when they finally wake up [22:02] GeneralTacticus> Unfortunately, our team chatroom appears to be dead right now. [22:02] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I have no teams members awake [22:03] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Unofficially ... what do you think RP's resonse would be [22:03] GeneralTacticus> NE of the continent would be near you, correct? [22:03] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Yes - Us mostly & ND eventually [22:04] GeneralTacticus> I expect we'd be a bit worried, but not overly. [22:04] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> If we told Vox to put the settler back on the galley or else.... [22:04] GeneralTacticus> But please don't take this as even an approximation of the overall opinion. [22:04] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Would RP join us in a joint statement [22:04] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Unofficially - I am not holding you to anything [22:04] GeneralTacticus> I rather doubt it. [22:05] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Wow [22:05] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> That surprises me [22:05] GeneralTacticus> Why? [22:05] GeneralTacticus> We're not going to be the oens with a Vox base right behind us, after all. [22:05] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> This is the first intercontinental settlement [22:05] GeneralTacticus> * ones [22:06] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> RP has been against war [22:06] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> GoW will not like this and will probably do something [22:06] GeneralTacticus> I can imagine. [22:06] GeneralTacticus> Though what you could do is beyond me. [22:06] GeneralTacticus> If they really do have three Immortals there. [22:07] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I doubt we would stand for a 4th nation knocking on our back door [22:07] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> If GS settled down south, I think we would help RP [22:08] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Bob is good size for 3 nations - 4 is too many [22:08] * GeneralTacticus shrugs. [22:08] GeneralTacticus> I can't speak for the others. [22:08] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Of course - No Probs [22:08] GeneralTacticus> I'm preparing to post a thread on it right now. [22:08] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I am just drafting responses [22:08] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Do you have any influence over Vox ? or GS ? [22:09] GeneralTacticus> As a team? [22:09] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> rephrase - How are your diplomatic relations with them [22:09] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> RP as a team [22:09] GeneralTacticus> I'm afraid I'm not a very good source of information on that kind of stuff. [22:09] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> No Probs [22:09] GeneralTacticus> I guess whether or not we could get them to back off would depend on how set they were on building it. [22:10] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I am just hanning around waiting for a Voxian or a GoW member to join [22:10] GeneralTacticus> If it was just built on the basis that ti would be useful, we might be able to. [22:10] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> We are finding Vox difficult [22:10] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> GS are OK [22:11] GeneralTacticus> But if they truly intend to use it as a base to invade you or another civ on the continent, and were pegging their strategy to it, I doubt it. [22:11] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Now we know why [22:11] GeneralTacticus> ? [22:11] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I think GoW will see it as an invasion staging point [22:11] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Vox is difficult to deal with [22:11] GeneralTacticus> I don't blame you. [22:12] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> If we had good relations, we would probably consider it [22:12] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> They did not even discuss it with us before sending immortals over [22:13] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> OK - This was unnofficial - You can post the info on your board [22:14] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> But my comments are unnofficial [22:14] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Not the GOW team official response ok [22:14] GeneralTacticus> Ok. [22:14] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Cya [22:14] GeneralTacticus> I'll post it up as such. [22:14] GeneralTacticus> cya. Session Close: Sat Mar 22 22:14:48 2003

	22-03-2003 16:34									#3
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And I caught Shiber in chat.

quote: Session Start: Sat Mar 22 22:19:29 2003 [22:19] Session Ident: Shiber (w00t@bzq-112-146.red.bezeqint.net) [22:19] Shiber> Hi. You wanted to chat? [22:20] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Hi [22:20] Shiber> what did you want to talk about? [22:20] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Thanks for last night [22:20] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Vox [22:20] Shiber> anything in particular? [22:21] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Yep [22:21] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> You said you would help us out if they did anything stupid [22:21] Shiber> no, we said we might [22:21] Shiber> there are two possibilities: [22:21] Shiber> 1. helping you out with money - this shouldn't be a problem, presented to the team. they would surely approve it. [22:21] Shiber> 2. helping you out by going to war with vox - this is a totally different issue. [22:22] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> OK - [22:22] Shiber> we've discussed the possibility where we would sign a treaty obliging us to attack vox in case they attacked you [22:22] Shiber> i recently posted a description of that possibility to the GS forum. it is pending discussion [22:22] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> What is the feeling ? [22:22] Shiber> all i can promise is that i'd do my best to promote such deals [22:22] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> There may be a problem [22:23] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I got the sav file ND a few hours ago [22:23] Shiber> Hot_Enamel[GoW], i can't tell you yet, since i've posted my summary of the chat about 20 minutes ago and no replies have yet been posted [22:23] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Vox have landed 2 immortals 1 spearman & a settler have landed on Bob [22:23] Shiber> EEK [22:23] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I am the only member of GoW who knows this [22:23] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> And am posting possible responses [22:24] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> They have not created a city yet [22:24] Shiber> please delay the save as much as possible and GS will discuss this and see what we can do to help [22:24] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> We will obviously do this [22:24] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Do you have neough influence to tell them to send the settler back ? [22:25] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Your opinion only [22:25] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I understand your teams needs to discus [22:25] Shiber> we'll see what we can do [22:25] Shiber> i'm posting to the GS forum as we speak [22:26] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> If we war with Vox, we will take the war to their homeland [22:26] Shiber> i'm sure we can send an unpleasant message to Vox, though [22:26] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> That would be good [22:27] Shiber> Hot_Enamel[GoW], may I post our chat log to the GS public forum? [22:27] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Sure - just remember - this is my opinion - not an official GoW response [22:28] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> GF and the rest of the US members will be up soon I guess. [22:28] Shiber> can i have a screenshot of the site of Vox's landing and its surroundings? [22:28] Shiber> particularly, one that shows the distance between the nearest GoW city to the landing zone [22:28] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I wont do that - But I will pressure our team to send you it [22:29] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I dont think GF & team would have a problem [22:30] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Thats about it for me - I need to post in our forum as well [22:31] Shiber> okay, i'm gonna post the log of this chat to our forum [22:31] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> np [22:31] Shiber> i've prepared a message urging our members to take steps to assure your security [22:31] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Thankyou [22:32] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> I am sure our team will have an official response soon [22:33] Shiber> there's nothing more i could do right now [22:33] Shiber> i'll let you know how the discussion turns out though [22:34] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Thanks [22:34] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> Cya [22:34] Shiber> goodbye Session Close: Sat Mar 22 22:34:46 2003

	22-03-2003 16:40									#4
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I will be in bed by the time you wake and play the moves.
They are obviously using that galley as a stepping stone...they will pour
immortals into our continent.

My suggestions-
1. We tell ND & RP and arrange a hasty alliance.
We send email to Vox telling them that the next move will be to put their settler back on that galley and return home. We consider the move not as an act of aggression, but more a act of WAR.
We get ND to send the same email.
We get RP to send the same email

We contact GS, and just see how friendly they really are.
GS promised a lot in their chat....now lets see them deliver.

GS did offer to help keep Vox off our back....I am going to ask them to exert as much pressure on them as possible.

I will be in bed when this breaks out. Feel free to contact GS members without me. They may be the key in forcing Vox to retreat.

	22-03-2003 17:08									#5
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And lets hold the save as per shiber - See what GS can come up with

	22-03-2003 17:52									#6
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Okay, I emailed a screenshot to ND and Roleplay.

	22-03-2003 17:57									#7
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Shiber would like to chat - To discuss what GS can do for us

	22-03-2003 19:20									#8
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The 2nd chat with GS

LOG File


I gotta go to bed

They got the pic

	22-03-2003 19:48									#9
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They must be removed!!!!

Leave or they will face everything GoW can throw at it.
This would include:
ND
RP
GS

If not actual forces, then trade embargos, halt on all relations.

Lux/Vox... they both end in "x". That stands for "X"tinction!

	22-03-2003 21:08									#10
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I think ND and GoW can deal with Vox but expect Roleplay to also get involved.

I would prefer to keep GS out of this as this gives a legitimate reason to land on THEIR continent.

From Darekill:

quote: Sorry but i can't chat today. That is awful news . Maybe Borc can chat with you. I rcammend a united declaration of war from at least GoW and ND. Better with RP and GS. We have not seen any GoW Troops but we have Scout Picahulu who can scout. We send Swordsman imediately. We must secure our southern border though because i don't trust RP. So we can not declare war imediately. We must form an assault Team first.

From oliverfa:

quote: I'm trying to gather RP members to discuss this issue. Will tell you more about that in a while.

	22-03-2003 23:13									#11
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From Dissident:

quote: We have no intention of invading anyone. Do you supsect that? I don't believe we are near anyone's borders. Please let me know if I'm wrong.

	23-03-2003 07:06									#12
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We need to do 2 things
1) settle near that area
2) move all horse there(luckily a road goes toward there)
Aggie

	23-03-2003 07:07									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Aggie We need to do 2 things 1) settle near that area 2) move all horse there(luckily a road goes toward there) Aggie

Every horse we have was moved towards there, they are all on the edge of the hills.

	23-03-2003 08:28									#14
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Sent to Vox:

quote: mgmacy, Greetings from the Glory of War! I see that your civilization has found our shores. I ask that Vox withdraws your forces and settler. The Glory of War looks upon this action as one of hostility, as this provides an easy standoff point for attacking the Bob civs. Thank you, Panzer32 Foreign Affairs Consul for the Glory of War

I think that before we get a coalition together to defeat Vox, we should ask them to leave!

	23-03-2003 09:30									#15
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This is why you are an ambassador and not me. Mine simply would have said:

"Leave now or die."

	23-03-2003 14:33									#16
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb I would prefer to keep GS out of this as this gives a legitimate reason to land on THEIR continent.

I doubt very much they would agree.

I would much rather see Vox retreat back to their own continent.
Use a joint Bob Alliance statement.
Use GS if we have to.

Once they are off, then we discuss an alliance with them to remove GS.

But this must all happen after RP is removed. I doubt our allies ND would like to get drawn into a intercontinental war. They want RP gone, and we have already agreed to help them.

	23-03-2003 14:59									#17
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Just a quick summary of the important points wehn we chatted with GS after we found out about Vox

When I asked them to clarify what help they could give to stop Vox from invading

quote: [22:21] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> You said you would help us out if they did anything stupid [22:21] Shiber> no, we said we might [22:21] Shiber> there are two possibilities: [22:21] Shiber> 1. helping you out with money - this shouldn't be a problem, presented to the team. they would surely approve it. [22:21] Shiber> 2. helping you out by going to war with vox - this is a totally different issue. [22:22] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> OK - [22:22] Shiber> we've discussed the possibility where we would sign a treaty obliging us to attack vox in case they attacked you [22:22] Shiber> i recently posted a description of that possibility to the GS forum. it is pending discussion [22:22] Hot_Enamel[GoW]> What is the feeling ? [22:22] Shiber> all i can promise is that i'd do my best to promote such deals

Then I dropped the bombshell that Vox had actually invaded.

quote: [22:23] Shiber> EEK

GF joined the chat and correctly guessed that all they were doing was fishing for information. The way their team works, it that it will take a week for them to come up with an appropriate response.

I believe they want to help, but only in a method that would benefit them. I doubt they have a military alliance with Vox, as they kept insisting if we invaded Vox, they would also invade and destroy them before we got any cities. Blah Blah Blah.

I am in no doubt that they are rubbing their hands in glee over this. They want to invade Vox and take over the full continent. But they dont want to do it with an allie, because they want to take over the FULL CONTINENT.

If there is a GoW-Vox war, they will see this as a weakening of Vox, and then they can pounce on them after we have destroyed most of their offensive.

They do not want us to invade their homeland. They kept insisting that if we did, ND would attack us. They want us to fight a navy battle, destroy any invaders, and then let them take over Vox. They want us to keep our forces on Bob in case of an ND backstab.

This is only my opinion of the situation.

I strongly suggest, that we do everything possible to ensure Vox is off our continent. Make sure they dont build the city, or we will have no choice but to attack them.

I am still not convinced that there is no Vox-GS alliance, so we need to speak carefully. We should tell Vox, that once they are off our continent, we will consider a joint action with them, against GS. We then send our riders through Vox to the GS front line. No need for a messy naval invasion.

But Vox needs to get off our continent, and then be prepared to wait until after our RP war.

Perhaps as we are drafting up our alliance agreement, we sneak in clauses that ensures they do not land any units on Bob. Once they agree, we invade RP, and it will ensure they stay out of the fight.

A navy blockade will keep GS from our continent.

We kill RP, and before our riders become obsolete, we immediately send them over to Vox, for joint action against GS.

	24-03-2003 14:12									#18
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Message from Borc

quote: Vox foundet Wittlich West on Borconia (Bob). Please sign the Treaty of 1075BC After that we will declare War on vox in this very turn. You should do the same and since the treaty is signed then Spain should do the same too so that the alliance isn't a toothless tiger. Two of our Swordsman will be on the way imediately though it'll last a few turns to reach the front.

We wanted the treaty.
Now I feel we have to declare war or lose face to ND & RP.

Vox should not of founded that city.
It must be destroyed.
They can ship in units each turn now

Plus I am still not convinced GS is behind this a little. They could use this territory to bring in their own units.

War must be declared and Vox kicked off our continent.

Regs

	24-03-2003 17:50									#19
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Oh, yes. Time to smack the New Luxians............

	24-03-2003 19:15									#20
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THIS MEANS WAR!!!

All the way. Take'em out. Leave not one Voxian alive!

	24-03-2003 20:30									#21
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can I get a summary of our military strength?

	25-03-2003 02:06									#22
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3 horsemen and 6 spearmen, if I'm not mistaken.

	25-03-2003 02:13									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Panzer32 3 horsemen and 6 spearmen, if I'm not mistaken.

That's the Veteran and Elite units, there's some Warriors running around somewhere also.

	26-03-2003 01:16									#24
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WAR!!!
To maximize the damage to Vox, I'd get a 3way agreement to wait on the attack until Vox committed a 2nd settler, if that happens in the near furture.