23-03-2003 01:08									#1
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D'oh!

quote: Pentagon Confirms Missiles May Have Struck Iran -- Two Pentagon officials now confirm that three U.S. cruise missiles may have gone astray in Iran. The officials say U.S. and Iranian officials are discussing the matter and that Iran realizes that any hit was unintentional.

Well that doesn't seem right. I mean, if those missiles could go that far off course, what's happening near where those missiles are supposed to be landing>

	23-03-2003 01:09									#2
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Not an accident, but a preemptive strike

	23-03-2003 01:10									#3
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Link?

This is the first I've heard of that.

	23-03-2003 01:10									#4
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I would hope that it's simply a matter of their intended targets being that damned close to the border with Iran...

...otherwise, "Opps..."

	23-03-2003 01:10									#5
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mechanical failure is the great equalizer when it comes to weaponry.

so our smart bomb can realize it's failing and scream "f*ck" as it falls to earth.

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A problem in the people operating the weapons, I think we should fix them.

	23-03-2003 01:11									#7
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There are two reasons for them to go off course - damage to control surfaces from AAA fire or lucky smallarms fire, and misprogramming of target coordinates.

Considering there are three strays out of a couple hundred that have been fired, this sounds like another big to me.

	23-03-2003 01:17									#8
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat There are two reasons for them to go off course - damage to control surfaces from AAA fire or lucky smallarms fire, and misprogramming of target coordinates. Considering there are three strays out of a couple hundred that have been fired, this sounds like another big to me.

Just to be clear: it's not three strays out of a couple hundred. It's three strays acknowledged out of a couple hundred. I think Che's point about how well or poorly the rest are hitting their targets is well taken; this administration, even more than Bush I, has a strong interest in downplaying (i.e., lying about) civilian casualties.

	23-03-2003 01:18									#9
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Maybe those smart bombs are using Windows as OS in those little smart chips. This explains everything...

	23-03-2003 01:19									#10
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Let's hope that Tomahawks have better construction quality that the space shuttle...

This reminds me of the missile that hit the chinese embassy in Belgrade, in 1999.

	23-03-2003 01:19									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Aro Maybe those smart bombs are using Windows as OS in those little smart chips. This explains everything...

BSOD - Reset to Default Target: Any Brown People.

	23-03-2003 01:20									#12
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"Maybe those smart bombs are using Windows as OS in those little smart chips. This explains everything... "




I can just imagine Centcom tracking these things. And all of a sudden.... "You have preformed an illegal operation, Cancel, Details"

	23-03-2003 01:20									#13
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quote: Originally posted by axi Let's hope that Tomahawks have better construction quality that the space shuttle... This reminds me of the missile that hit the chinese embassy in Belgrade, in 1999.

but we were aiming for that. we just didnt know it was an embassy.

	23-03-2003 01:22									#14
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Ya it hit its target. It was just a matter of a map mess up. The building used to be a military stucture.

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The component most likely to fail in any machine is the nut holding the keyboard.

	23-03-2003 02:22									#16
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Nothing new.

In Yugoslavia their smart bombs ended up in Bulgaria.






Plus smart or not they detonate smaller bombs that go randomly to kill each and everyone in any random direction

	23-03-2003 02:23									#17
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Bulgaria is there on the right edge of the map

	23-03-2003 02:26									#18
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Near where it says "Bulg"?

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That's it.

	23-03-2003 02:42									#20
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Plus smart or not they detonate smaller bombs that go randomly to kill each and everyone in any random direction

Glad to know you're the expert. CBU submunitions are only one type of ordnance used in "smart" bombs.

Rufus - the Iraqis don't have reason to downplay civilian casualties, and they're not claiming huge amounts. Considering what evidence is available, lots of the appropriate targets in Baghdad were burning, so there doesn't seem to be too much of a problem.

Accuracy over Baghdad seems to be better so far than GWI, if for no other reason than the Iraqis aren't putting up near as much AAA as they did originally.

	23-03-2003 02:50									#21
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So what are you saying that is different?

And that came from an expert.


To be correct one bomb ended up in Bulgaria.


The poor villagers woke up and found a bomb on their fields.


Still better than on their heads, like the Serbian people.

	23-03-2003 03:18									#22
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Glad to know you're the expert. CBU submunitions are only one type of ordnance used in "smart" bombs. Rufus - the Iraqis don't have reason to downplay civilian casualties, and they're not claiming huge amounts. Considering what evidence is available, lots of the appropriate targets in Baghdad were burning, so there doesn't seem to be too much of a problem. Accuracy over Baghdad seems to be better so far than GWI, if for no other reason than the Iraqis aren't putting up near as much AAA as they did originally.

paiktis is also the one who said there would be One million innocent civilian casualties in the war

	23-03-2003 03:20									#23
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500.000 and the UN actually.


You just started killing but hopefully our fury has stopped your let's get them easy get them fast tacticts.

We'll see.


You still kill of course.

	23-03-2003 03:23									#24
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500, 000 is still bogus, no matter how many times you repeat.

Considering the number of missles and bombs dropped in

	23-03-2003 03:43									#25
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 500.000 and the UN actually. You just started killing but hopefully our fury has stopped your let's get them easy get them fast tacticts. We'll see. You still kill of course.

you might have reneged, but i vividly remember the title of your thread saying "one million dead..."

500,000 is still proposterous. Your fury has done nothing to our tactics. Whether there would have been widespread world sentiment against the war or not, we would still be conducting it in much the same way.

	23-03-2003 04:29									#26
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Well that doesn't seem right. I mean, if those missiles could go that far off course,

If 3 missles took the same wrong turn, it is obvious that an erroneous set of GPS coordinates was entered. Somebody kicked one of the numbers.

	23-03-2003 06:15									#27
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat There are two reasons for them to go off course - damage to control surfaces from AAA fire or lucky smallarms fire, and misprogramming of target coordinates.

Actually, the third reason is that the lanscape-recognition guidance systems can have a hard time in a desert environments and can wander hopelessly off course.

	23-03-2003 06:33									#28
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Just like we didn't mean to blow up the Chinese embassy...

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quote: Originally posted by Static23 Actually, the third reason is that the lanscape-recognition guidance systems can have a hard time in a desert environments and can wander hopelessly off course.

Except those aren't exclusive nav systems - they're used for terminal approach and object collision avoidance, but current generation Tomahawks in the TLAM version are capable of using INS/GPS along with the look forward & lookdown radar systems.

	23-03-2003 07:57									#30
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand 500, 000 is still bogus, no matter how many times you repeat. Considering the number of missles and bombs dropped in

That number does not only include casualties of war, but also deaths by less obvious reasons such as lack of clean water, which causes disease (and perhaps epidemics) as all the power installations and the like will be bombed, or the lack of food etc etc... Also don't forget that with all these bombings, much damage will be done to the buildings of not only saddam's clan, a good number of people loses their house (and lives if they were accidentally in their house when it was bombed)

Those bombs can be pretty smart, but it doesn't prevent them from destroying the surrounding premises!

Anyhow I don't think you can put a number to the amount of deaths because there are many factors, and nothing goes as planned or as estimated in a war so just can't know.